Epicmafia

I'm not gonna read though all this but if it has not been said already

Mods nom 3-5 people to be a new mod with pros/cons of said person

everyone has 1 to vote for a new mod from those people

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

WolfODonnellz

Braixen!! What about this templattte!!!

Current template i thought up

Main account:(Whats your main account)

Alternate accounts:(Your alternate accounts)

Why would you be a good mod(explanition why you be a good mod)

What would you do if three poeple gets into a fight with eachother(explaining how you would handle it)

Do you have any prior experience being a mod?

Did you contribute something to the community

Your timezone:

Langauges you speak(sometimes there are games with other langauges but very uncommonly)

Age:(how old are you in real life)

HEY LOOK A TEMPLATE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

omfg that template was already said to be good, stop flaunting your template making powers >.>

Kerryabout 11 years ago

Braixen

you know what, wtf are we arguing about. if lucid has the right mentality, why dont we just let him decide and not other mods?? theres a reason why we have to message lucid and sims...

no one is being rude when arguing why they believe an automated system is a bad idea, just giving their opinions. i don't see why you have an issue with this

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

The moderators got unpopular because they started separating themselves from the community. The 'Us vs Them' has only got worse; and that can't all be blamed on the community, at all. A lot of mods have made that worse by themselves.

And the community is more important than the mods; so if the community demands it, the community must be sated.

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

Braixen!! What about this templattte!!!

Current template i thought up

Main account:(Whats your main account)

Alternate accounts:(Your alternate accounts)

Why would you be a good mod(explanition why you be a good mod)

What would you do if three poeple gets into a fight with eachother(explaining how you would handle it)

Do you have any prior experience being a mod?

Did you contribute something to the community

Your timezone:

Langauges you speak(sometimes there are games with other langauges but very uncommonly)

Age:(how old are you in real life)

HEY LOOK A TEMPLATE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

you know what, wtf are we arguing about. if lucid has the right mentality, why dont we just let him decide and not other mods?? theres a reason why we have to message lucid and sims...

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

And suddenly topic locked and a teamspeak link uk :^)

himaabout 11 years ago

admin

because the current system is idiotic

u cant make the system automated, lucid. it wont help at all. moderation will become a popularity contest over a selection based on any form of merit, and considering the people in this community whove been gunning for mod, theres a much smaller selection of good people than you would think.

not to mention that youre going based off the assumption that mod teams are just circlejerks of friends. well, they arent. when i first got modded i knew one person on my team, and this continued for the entire year that i was a mod. i only ever knew a handful of people at any given time. now that ive been remodded, i know a few more people, but i still dont really know most of the people im now working with. i didnt get picked because of a circlejerk, i got picked because my application was good and i did good work as a mod in the past.

is the system flawed? yes, but not so much that its ineffectual. receiving mod applications and giving interviews is a pretty solid way of determining whether someone is fit to mod or not. but if you change it to make it automatic, there wont be any of that. there will just be these random people with mod powers who got chosen for arbitrary or silly reasons, or ultimately because everyone likes them (regardless of whether theyre a good person or a good moderator). its not the systems fault that people dont like the mods. people will always dislike the mods, no matter what they do or how they do it. dont worry about fixing the system, because its fine. instead, worry about fixing your community, which i think is where a much bigger problem lies.

tl;dr dont make it automatic unless u want things with the community to be even worse than they already are

deleteddeletedabout 11 years agoedited

"Overthrow" is a bad idea

"Recall" isn't so bad. Calling a community vote of confidence in a certain mod, if X amount of people (say, 20% of the amount of people who voted for that mod originally) votes for a recall.

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

i don't think so, croned. nobody's ever really not going to be heard on here

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

Current template i thought up

Main account:(Whats your main account)

Alternate accounts:(Your alternate accounts)

Why would you be a good mod(explanition why you be a good mod)

What would you do if three poeple gets into a fight with eachother(explaining how you would handle it)

Do you have any prior experience being a mod?

Did you contribute something to the community

Your timezone:

Langauges you speak(sometimes there are games with other langauges but very uncommonly)

Age:(how old are you in real life)

HEY LOOK A TEMPLATE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Annaabout 11 years ago

mist

Also an overthrow option is a bad idea because like I keep saying any mod who is doing their job correctly is going to receive a lot of hate because that's just the nature of the position. and you know which mods always get the most hate? the most active ones. if you want to cycle through active mods that actually care even faster than we already do than by all means start overthrowing people.

>we

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

i really like my idea lol. pls implement. this could be the beginning of a new world order

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

Braixen

But you know, there has to be legitimate reason to overthrow a mod, not just because they got a vio for something that was THEIR fault.

Theabout 11 years ago

belovedprincess

because the votes are random. there's no real coordination. see above. ur secondary vote is decided before seeing the actual voting. it might go into thin air. it might land on someone with no chance of ever being voted. the more dynamic a voting system is - as close to real conversation as possible - the better it is

You said that a dynamic voting system would not be feasible in the real world because of the massive number of votes. I don't think you realize the size of the EM community. It would just as impossible.

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

mist

Also an overthrow option is a bad idea because like I keep saying any mod who is doing their job correctly is going to receive a lot of hate because that's just the nature of the position. and you know which mods always get the most hate? the most active ones. if you want to cycle through active mods that actually care even faster than we already do than by all means start overthrowing people.

Read what I said.

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

Also an overthrow option is a bad idea because like I keep saying any mod who is doing their job correctly is going to receive a lot of hate because that's just the nature of the position. and you know which mods always get the most hate? the most active ones. if you want to cycle through active mods that actually care even faster than we already do than by all means start overthrowing people.

Annaabout 11 years ago

Lucid is like the Dad you never want to come back from getting smokes.

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

I have no frands

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

But you know, there has to be legitimate reason to overthrow a mod, not just because they got a vio for something that was THEIR fault.

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

voting needs to be a dialogue

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

mist

Hey guys, remember how every president & world leader that was elected by popular vote always enjoyed a high approval rate? no? neither do I.

Ignoring the part about comparing EpicMafia mods to world leaders; there actually are plenty of examples of such people.

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

@Mist, and they can satisfy themselves by realizing how stupid they were then vote to overthrow a mod. That's also how basic politics work in some places as well.

Kerryabout 11 years ago

mist

by all means implement your voting system and then become disillusioned when your elected moderator gets complaints threads and such like every other moderator. you may choose a good moderator, hell you may even choose a great one, but the fact of the matter is that any mod who is doing their job is going to infuriate a lot of people along the way because that's just how moderating an internet site full of entitled young adults works.

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

Croned

belovedprincess
Croned
belovedprincess
it's the same thing bro. if it's people getting enough votes, getting elected or not elected, then votes being transferred automatically to secondary candidates, it's still blind. there has to be personal input the whole way along or it's broken. that's what it is, right?
No, you choose who you want your votes to be transferred to by who you select as your second choice.
still broken, because those choices aren't relative to actual voting. it still ends up random. u need ur vote to be relative to other votes. u need to see the voting and try to steer it, basically
So can you explain why the STV system is not superior to all of the other feasible systems mentioned and the current system?

because the votes are random. there's no real coordination. see above. ur secondary vote is decided before seeing the actual voting. it might go into thin air. it might land on someone with no chance of ever being voted. the more dynamic a voting system is - as close to real conversation as possible - the better it is

Suggestion:Mod election system