Fixing mod abuse

yoyo200900almost 9 years ago

I made a thread mocking Lailai for modding projectmatt and charley, two ex-mods that, on record, abused their mod powers, after he said that his new mod team wouldn’t be more of the same.

Moderator mascot PatrykScezie AKA dzanek, who dedicated years of his life to posting poorly-worded unsolicited opinions in the comments sections of reports for inconsequential red heart games so that the mod team would eventually take pity on him and let him fulfil his life goal of becoming a moderator on epicmafia.com (before being quietly demodded for being incompetent), made his first thought provoking post ever in response to the thread.

His hot take could be summed up like this:

“Despite projectmatt and charley using their mod powers for evil, they have given verdicts to so many reports that their overall contribution has been a good one. Therefore, they should be allowed to be moderators again. Please re-mod me, my life is meaningless without the ability to rule verdicts to reports”.

As it stands, the only motivation that an intelligent person could have for being a moderator on the site is to misuse their powers. Therefore, unfair actions by a functional mod team is inevitable. To keep these actions in check, there should be a system put in place that ensures that each moderator is still having a positive effect on the site.

Here is an example of the type of system that could be implemented:

  • Handle a report: Gain 1 point

  • Have your report overturned: Lose 5 points

  • Intentionally handle a report unfairly (cannot be appealed): Spend 25 points

  • Delete a thread that upsets you: Spend 40 points

  • Delete one of your own vios: Spend 50 points

  • Delete a user: Spend 1000 points

In the new world, the only moderators that people will have the right to complain about are the ones that go below 0 points. Moderators will be unlikely to go below their 0 points limit. This means that no one will ever be able to complain about the moderator team and no one will think about the concept of mod abuse ever again.

GuyFawkes85almost 9 years ago
GuyFawkes85
I agree, they should be WAY MORE specific.

AND they should have examples (2 examples, one for ranked and one for comp).

The exact same action (see below) got noted by one mod and no vio'd by another. There has to be a way to give more coherence to the team (more precise rules).

https://epicmafia.com/report/231622

https://epicmafia.com/report/231624
deleteddeletedalmost 9 years ago
Bebop
no, because those violations stack to create violations that accumulate punishments, you could have 6 notes and it wouldn't mean anything, you can't have 6 harassment 1sts
You somewhat prove my point, notes are the same as a 1st violation that doesn't give a suspension.

Anyways I'm going back to my original point of posting here, end of the day this site has many problems and it's not just the mods who are at fault.
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GuyFawkes85almost 9 years ago
joga
ive had 10 notes at one time before
All on the same type of vio or different vios? (just curious)
GuyFawkes85almost 9 years ago
Bebop
no, because those violations stack to create violations that accumulate punishments, you could have 6 notes and it wouldn't mean anything, you can't have 6 harassment 1sts
You can't have more than one note. Having 2 notes is a mistake.

zzz
deleteddeletedalmost 9 years ago
the only punishment i felt was my profile looked slightly unappealing
deleteddeletedalmost 9 years ago
ive had 10 notes at one time before
Bebopalmost 9 years ago
GuyFawkes85
After you get a note, if you do that again, you get a vio.
factually incorrect
Bebopalmost 9 years ago
no, because those violations stack to create violations that accumulate punishments, you could have 6 notes and it wouldn't mean anything, you can't have 6 harassment 1sts
deleteddeletedalmost 9 years ago
Can't quote on mobile for some reason but @Jeff I'm assuming your meaning of punishment is some form of action against the offender, like a suspension. By that logic certain vios that don't give any suspension are the same as a note.
GuyFawkes85almost 9 years ago
LazyYami
Arguable that there's no punishment difference between note and no vio.
Because a note is half a vio, basically. But Bebop doesn't know that.

"Note
This isn't a violation per se. It's here so that we can draw attention to reports against users in future. This has no infractions and doesn't count towards the 8 violation limit."

After you get a note, if you do that again, you get a vio. If you get a no vio, you're not said to get a vio for that, even if you do it again.
Jeffalmost 9 years ago
LazyYami
Arguable that there's no punishment difference between note and no vio. At least with a note there's documentation that said event happened before.
do you know what punishment means
deleteddeletedalmost 9 years ago
Arguable that there's no punishment difference between note and no vio. At least with a note there's documentation that said event happened before.
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Yesalmost 9 years ago
GuyFawkes85
https://epicmafia.com/report/231622

https://epicmafia.com/report/231624
Interesting that the person who received NV didn't defend themselves.

Perhaps mods are more inclined to see explanations as an admission of guilt.
Bebopalmost 9 years ago
will take care of it after i finish this game
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Jeffalmost 9 years ago
Bebop please go give Harassment 2nd to the guy I reported. You already gave him first and he needs to be suspended QUICK. Also I GRS lol go give me that vio too ty ty
Bebopalmost 9 years ago
u know there's fundamentally no punishment difference between a note and a no vio? and ur the one claiming mods need to be more knowledgeable lmfao
GuyFawkes85almost 9 years ago
I agree, they should be WAY MORE specific.

AND they should have examples (2 examples, one for ranked and one for comp).

The exact same action (see below) got noted by one mod and no vio'd by another. There has to be a way to give more coherence to the team (more precise rules).

https://epicmafia.com/report/231622

https://epicmafia.com/report/231624
deleteddeletedalmost 9 years ago
That's the thing if you read the rules carefully they're fairly vague enough to make up whatever verdict is given.
GuyFawkes85almost 9 years ago
I don't say they do it on purpose or are corrupt (surely there must have been cases, I didn't look into it). Most of the time they just can't interpret the rule correctly (like in the case of mimicking n1 = gt).
deleteddeletedalmost 9 years ago
Idk, if anything you could say the reason mods seem like they're bad/corrupt is because there's no real incentive to actually do a "good job". Personally i feel the mods are doing their best and get too much hate for simple mistakes. I've been fcked over by the past mods and current mods but they've also worked with me when i wasn't in the wrong.
GuyFawkes85almost 9 years ago
What term would you use in this case?
deleteddeletedalmost 9 years ago
Hiring implies you plan to pay them.
GuyFawkes85almost 9 years ago
I have a better idea. What about hiring mods who know the rules?
lennuelalmost 9 years ago
I and will be is not in my dictionary
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Orienteeringalmost 9 years ago
I will be a mod