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Blacklist Classic Mafia

deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago

Blacklisting fancy pants is a freaking awesome step that you just took, mods. However, classic mafia is mechanically the exact same setup

Please please follow through with the awesome decision you have partially made and destroy the scourge that has plagued us for years instead of just one head of the hydra. Compared to what was expected, fancy pants has died with very little commotion.

Matt55about 11 years agoedited
This website sucks so much donkey pen15 even more than it did before.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
RepubIic
Triumphant
If you ever want comp to be healthy again you have to kill it now. This "Christopherzilla as mod" thing is probably the last opportunity we'll ever have
If you want comp to ever be healthy, give players a reason to join comp, not just because you dismiss all other set ups and only deem certain ones "playable." That's elitism at it's finest.
If we allowed classic mafia, it wouldn't be "comp" by virtue of a 50/50 coin flip not being a competition
deleteddeletedabout 11 years agoedited
Triumphant
If you ever want comp to be healthy again you have to kill it now. This "Christopherzilla as mod" thing is probably the last opportunity we'll ever have
If you want comp to ever be healthy, give players a reason to join comp, not just blacklist popular set ups because you dismiss them and only deem certain ones "playable." That's elitism at it's finest.
Clairabout 11 years ago
orc on mafia n1 is fine for mafia because solo mafia can carry pretty easily since they don't have partner tells weighing them down. town are totally blind because there's no day 1 which is the best way to get reads
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deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
check it out, im about to do it.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
If you ever want comp to be healthy again you have to kill it now. This "Christopherzilla as mod" thing is probably the last opportunity we'll ever have
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Devante
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Republic, he's saying it's a coinflip because the N1 kill very greatly affects the outcome of the game. A more "balanced" setup wouldn't be so deeply impacted by whatever role is killed N1.
that's the case with every single competitive setup aswell
that's a stretch. only a few can be autowin N1 and others aren't as heavily impacted because a lot of comp setups have MLs too.
Name me one comp setup and i'll tell u why you're wrong
it really depends on what "greatly" means to you. I don't think the N1 kill in VDLI really matters that much.
Mafia hit miller 1 night 1 they're screwed, mafia hit the orc n1 on mafia they're pretty screwed, mafia hit orc on bp town is screwed
miller impact isn't that bad since miller is only beneficial to mafia on ML day anyway. Killing the orc who is on either the mafia or the BP happens a lot less often than killing Cop N1 in Classic.
Clairabout 11 years ago
in jan 2.0 there is always the lawyered mafia, the miller, etc. that puts it miles ahead of classic
Togepiabout 11 years ago
Harunan
Togepi
You don't play to have fun on EpicMafia.
welp i better self delete ive been doing it all wrong
I'll remember you fondly.
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deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Togepi
You don't play to have fun on EpicMafia.
welp i better self delete ive been doing it all wrong
Clairabout 11 years ago
Devante
Triumphant
I'm saying it is a coinflip because if both parties play optimally (which they sometimes do not because people who play these games are freaking idiots, explaining the margin of error) it is exactly a 50/50 shot.
so are you saying there's absolutely 0 reads that go into the games ?
the point is that in classic, you only need to read into cops. if you get that right, the partner is found via reports, and if you get it wrong, mafia win. therefore, the degree of reads is lessened tenfold
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
classic mafia is fine, come play poker https://epicmafia.com/game/4114602
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
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Devante
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Devante
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Republic, he's saying it's a coinflip because the N1 kill very greatly affects the outcome of the game. A more "balanced" setup wouldn't be so deeply impacted by whatever role is killed N1.
that's the case with every single competitive setup aswell
that's a stretch. only a few can be autowin N1 and others aren't as heavily impacted because a lot of comp setups have MLs too.
Name me one comp setup and i'll tell u why you're wrong
it really depends on what "greatly" means to you. I don't think the N1 kill in VDLI really matters that much.
Mafia hit miller 1 night 1 they're screwed, mafia hit the orc n1 on mafia they're pretty screwed, mafia hit orc on bp town is screwed
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Triumphant
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Isn't optimal play just suppose to be having fun no matter what the set up? I guess I'm confused.
Optimal play is taking the very simple step of adding 2+2 in order to win
That's not playing that's doing math.

Math isn't fun.
Togepiabout 11 years ago
RepubIic
Isn't optimal play just suppose to be having fun no matter what the set up? I guess I'm confused.
You don't play to have fun on EpicMafia.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
@Connor what you said makes more sense, I was looking at it differently.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
RepubIic
Isn't optimal play just suppose to be having fun no matter what the set up? I guess I'm confused.
Optimal play is taking the very simple step of adding 2+2 in order to win
Clairabout 11 years ago
Triumphant
Harunan
Classic/FP with daystart then. :B
Must lynch would probably be fine
must lynch gives mafia the option to not-cc cop but ends with a reduced EV, but still better than not-ccing and NLing.

optimally, must lynch means nothing changes.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Devante
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Republic, he's saying it's a coinflip because the N1 kill very greatly affects the outcome of the game. A more "balanced" setup wouldn't be so deeply impacted by whatever role is killed N1.
that's the case with every single competitive setup aswell
that's a stretch. only a few can be autowin N1 and others aren't as heavily impacted because a lot of comp setups have MLs too.
Name me one comp setup and i'll tell u why you're wrong
it really depends on what "greatly" means to you. I don't think the N1 kill in VDLI really matters that much.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Triumphant
Devante14s
Triumphant says
I'm saying it is a coinflip because if both parties play optimally (which they sometimes do not because people who play these games are freaking idiots, explaining the margin of error) it is exactly a 50/50 shot.
so are you saying there's absolutely 0 reads that go into the games ?

If there are, no one bothers forming them.
does ur quote button not work
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Isn't optimal play just suppose to be having fun no matter what the set up? I guess I'm confused.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
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Devante
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Republic, he's saying it's a coinflip because the N1 kill very greatly affects the outcome of the game. A more "balanced" setup wouldn't be so deeply impacted by whatever role is killed N1.
that's the case with every single competitive setup aswell
that's a stretch. only a few can be autowin N1 and others aren't as heavily impacted because a lot of comp setups have MLs too.
Name me one comp setup and i'll tell u why you're wrong
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
RepubIic
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Republic, he's saying it's a coinflip because the N1 kill very greatly affects the outcome of the game. A more "balanced" setup wouldn't be so deeply impacted by whatever role is killed N1.
isn't that the same with like, every mafia set up?
No. There's always some swinginess depending on the N1 kill, but there really aren't as many that are impacted to the same degree as Classic, but I think that's also largely because people flounder around in that setup if cop is N1'd.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Devante14s
Triumphant says
I'm saying it is a coinflip because if both parties play optimally (which they sometimes do not because people who play these games are freaking idiots, explaining the margin of error) it is exactly a 50/50 shot.
so are you saying there's absolutely 0 reads that go into the games ?

If there are, no one bothers forming them.
Clairabout 11 years ago
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Republic, he's saying it's a coinflip because the N1 kill very greatly affects the outcome of the game. A more "balanced" setup wouldn't be so deeply impacted by whatever role is killed N1.
incorrect