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Anon setups in comp

johnreidalmost 11 years ago

It is an utter disgrace that Anonymous setups have been banned from comp. The unprofessional manner it has been dealt with, makes it even more shocking. Anonymous setups have been banned mid-round without an explanation? (They are not popular is not a reason btw).

I know for a fact that several mods and perhaps admins are not on board with this ban. Heck, Lucid himself has said that he has no problems with anonymous setups in comp. I can point to many rounds of the past where anonymous setups have been played with no issue (pre DUFF era.)

I worked bloody hard to trophy and I want to be allowed to comp the setups I choose. 3 of my setups were removed for a variety of made up reasons. This one is by far the most ridiculous. I want a full explanation of why anon setups are banned.

If your argument is solely against the recent surge of DUFFS setups , I wish to pose you a question. Is it our fault that weve won a lot of trophies recently and want to comp these setups? This is a joke.

Anon setups actually allow for a less biased comp game without the use of meta and ogi.

Please give me more than a one line response. I want the name of whoever decided this. Answer for yourself.

vildenalmost 11 years agoedited
johnreid why dont you tell everyone how the setup got added back
vildenalmost 11 years ago
lol
johnreidalmost 11 years ago
:'( thats sad.
lingalmost 11 years ago
when you want to go to the beach at night cause it was really hot during the day and it starts thunderstomring
johnreidalmost 11 years ago
Lorelli love your stuff btw :)
jackalmost 11 years ago
that's not a stupid question at all, you just ad hom'd because you care too much about this
johnreidalmost 11 years ago
Miku
please reban it just so johnreid will continue to pee his pants over his epicmafia.com setup
PLEAAAASE DONT REBAN IT :'( I really will pee my pants.
johnreidalmost 11 years agoedited
vilden
lol here is a question: would you allow a round with only anon comp'd setups?

if you can't answer yes, all of your arguments are thrown out the window and anon decks arent viable in competition
Would you allow a round with vilden in every game? If you cant answer yes, vilden is not viable in comp.


Stupid question gets stupid response.
vildenalmost 11 years ago
lol here is a question: would you allow a round with only anon comp'd setups?

if you can't answer yes, all of your arguments are thrown out the window and anon decks arent viable in competition
lingalmost 11 years ago
YOU LOYAL, YOU SMART

GO BUY YOUR MOMMA A HOUSE, SAY MY NAME
hedgeralmost 11 years ago
but being deceitful is fun, why would people not want to develop that part of their game :(
Solacealmost 11 years agoedited
hedger
Solace
As the same set of players play together over and over, the game gradually becomes more and more town-sided.

The benefit of anonymous setups is that it helps to balance out the alignment wins by removing meta.

That is:
Someone's win-rate (mafia winrate in particular)
Their experience
And any unique alignment tells they may have

In my opinion, it is great that anonymous setups are allowed to be played competitively.

and for those arguing that it allows experienced players to fake dumbtelling - dumbtelling is a strategy lol
I don't like these arguments really at all, because mafia can combat meta in different ways, and a lot of the reasons for setups becoming more townsided is that it takes more time to develop an optimal town strategy than a mafia strategy in most cases and that once people become comfortable with a setup, the setup will start to be more townsided than originally, which makes the meta argument slightly skewed.
imo towns win more often than not because its a lot harder to maintain lies, it's a lot more difficult to feign emotions for a prolonged period of time, and its a lot more difficult to fabricate a thought process as mafia.

not to mention that most players put more effort into developing their town-game simply because you flip town more often than mafia. It's also beneficial to their overall winrate to have a reputation for being honest than one of being deceitful.
vildenalmost 11 years ago
let our voices be heard
jackalmost 11 years ago
ling
anon setups are fun in theory but no one plays them and thier boring in reality
honestly the best post in this thread
lingalmost 11 years ago
UGHHH
hedgeralmost 11 years ago
comp a non-duffs anon setup if you really want to bring back anonymous mafia.
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Solacealmost 11 years ago
MasterCheif
If people would take anon setups seriously, I think that it would be great to have them in comp. But if you look at all past DUFFS anon setups played in comp, you can see that people don't take them seriously.
it's only because of the community's shift in values. See this as an attempt to rekindle the interest!
hedgeralmost 11 years ago
Solace
As the same set of players play together over and over, the game gradually becomes more and more town-sided.

The benefit of anonymous setups is that it helps to balance out the alignment wins by removing meta.

That is:
Someone's win-rate (mafia winrate in particular)
Their experience
And any unique alignment tells they may have

In my opinion, it is great that anonymous setups are allowed to be played competitively.

and for those arguing that it allows experienced players to fake dumbtelling - dumbtelling is a strategy lol
I don't like these arguments really at all, because mafia can combat meta in different ways, and a lot of the reasons for setups becoming more townsided is that it takes more time to develop an optimal town strategy than a mafia strategy in most cases and that once people become comfortable with a setup, the setup will start to be more townsided than originally, which makes the meta argument slightly skewed.
lingalmost 11 years ago
like if one of your friends linked you a game, you gotta be really really dumb to not be able to tell who he is

other than that, it doesnt really matter who blank faces are
Lorelialmost 11 years ago
Meta shouldn't ever be used as a reason for a vote, it should only be used to back up reasoning.
MasterCheifalmost 11 years ago
If people would take anon setups seriously, I think that it would be great to have them in comp. But if you look at all past DUFFS anon setups played in comp, you can see that people don't take them seriously.
lingalmost 11 years ago
a large part of mafia is meta reads and when joining a table most people can tell who is who in anon setups, its just an added set of confusion
Solacealmost 11 years agoedited
As the same set of players play together over and over, the game gradually becomes more and more town-sided.

The benefit of anonymous setups is that it helps to balance out the alignment wins by removing meta.

That is:
Someone's win-rate (mafia winrate in particular)
Their experience
And any unique alignment tells they may have

In my opinion, it is great that anonymous setups are allowed to be played competitively.

and for those arguing that it allows experienced players to fake dumbtelling - dumbtelling is a strategy lol
lingalmost 11 years ago
anon setups are fun in theory but no one plays them and thier boring in reality
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vildenalmost 11 years agoedited
mods all agreed to swap it out but for whatever reason they were strong-armed, that is the only relevant issue