Calling it Quits

Renaldoabout 11 years ago

Alright people of Epicmafia. It's been a long time since I've made a serious macro-thread outlining my thoughts. I've really mellowed out about epicmafia since departing as admin, only to get super mad when talking about setups that I don't like, because nothing makes me more upset than bad setups. Either way, this is my first serious thread of 2015. Remember 2014? Good times. In the words of a recently banned user "Twas a blast."

I haven't been on the site all that much recently, at least not much since Vancy stepped down. Well, at least not in the sense of being involved in the game of policy and shady dealings that goes on behind the scenes. However, one thing I've noticed though is that although the competition still puts up pretty solid numbers, there seems to be a general malaise spread throughout the community. I can't help but feel the site is spiraling downhill. Just looking through the past 10 rounds, over half of them had some sort of mega cheating investigation, trophy winners who got thrown for, or outright cheating. It's kind of shocking that anyone bothers to run anymore when there is such a high volume of cheating, especially when trophies are valued at less than the dollar during the 2008 crash. It just seems kinda silly. There's so much effort that goes into the moderation of gold heart games to keep them legitimate, while there is a ton of effort poured into making them illegitimate as well. All for what, though?

So I really, seriously want to pose this question: Do you think it's time for the competition to stop?

Now before you throw Molotov cocktails at your computer screen, just hear me out. Let's go on a journey together.

Imagine a world on epicmafia without a competition. Mods would last longer since they wouldn't get burned out from long investigations. No one could troll rounds, since there are no rounds to troll. Maybe the comp lobby could see a revival, for those who are into that sort of lobby gentrification. Not to mention, cheaters would have no reason to cheat - there's no "trophy" to be gained from cheating in red hearts, unless you just like upsetting people. Imagine a world where every game of mafia is casual mafia, you can play any setup you want at any time, without having to rely on some douchecanoe to comp something playable, and double point Jan becomes the stage that all mafia players wish to be stars on? This is a world I think we should live in. I would know, I have sources.

I know this is pretty radical, but I have a solution for those of you who still really like comp on the site.

We could replace the competition with chess: https://epicmafia.com/game/4102695?password=46139b0b16d7696468a818ef81ab82a93691f7d5

Poll
Honestly, tbh, I'm being honest.
Free Gallis Hunter44%23
Kill Comp19%10
Nuke the forums instead13%7
bwaaa bwaaa bwaaaa9%5
thanks for looking out for the little guy7%4
Don't Kill Comp5%3
DoctorXabout 11 years ago
Quoting from the OP:

"and double point Jan becomes the stage that all mafia players wish to be stars on"

Yeah, no. Definitely no.

Also, trolls and cheaters will always be there, even without gold (for achievements, for points, for Hall of Fame, they will always find a reason, even if only to upset people).

Competition is probably what keeps the majority of people on this site and why this site didn't shut down already. Main lobby would be ONLY fancy pants (with no exceptions, probably) and all comp players (or at least a VERY HIGH percentage) would leave.

NO. Simply NO.
Jalebabout 11 years ago
If comp was removed what setups would there for me to play?
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blacksnakemoanabout 11 years ago
3.5k games on FP and Classic is beyond excessive. That's f**king ridiculous.
Dukeabout 11 years ago
i have a 3 part plan to save the competition but nobody is going to want to hear it.
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Dukeabout 11 years ago
lol he quoted the OP with your name attached to it
UniversalStudiosabout 11 years ago
Did I say that? I don't remember saying that and I didn't say it in this thread.
Floorabout 11 years ago
UniversalStudios
I can't help but feel the site is spiraling downhill. Just looking through the past 10 rounds, over half of them had some sort of mega cheating investigation, trophy winners who got thrown for, or outright cheating.
lol, people have said this site is spiraling down for years. And cheating just now being an issue? No lol, I've helped 4 friends get gold/silver trophies and they were never even suspected. Cheating has always been around you're just oblivious apparently.
UniversalStudiosabout 11 years ago
You heard it here first, passing SuperNova the hammer is a bad play, even when the choices for a ml are between himself and scum.

SuperNova you have never:

Led a successful lynch on mafia
Pushed on mafia
Outed correct reads
Backed you reads with something said in game

in any of the games I've played with you, however you have:

Lynched clears
Bussed into autoloss
Lynched town
Been ml'd
Been ml'd in lylo
Fail to claim pr before being ml'd
Tunneled town
Blamed town after you lynched them


and a variety of other things which is why I make fun of you. I'm curious as to what you think I'm jealous of. I bet it's ridiculous.
Uprizzleabout 11 years ago
We could replace the competition with chinese checkers
SuperNovaabout 11 years ago
UniversalStudios
EraldoCoil
UniversalStudios
SuperNova
Winrates are not hard to reach when you play FP. Golden hearts are not easy to fill that's why they allow some (really) bad players to play...
Including yourself.
I'm sorry UniversalStudios, you know that i have nothing but respect for you, but i'll have to disagree with you. Nova is a really great player and thanks to him and soda i got 2 conescutive rounds to 5th place. I learned a lot of things from both of them and Nova deserved his trophy this round.
You're free to think that, I'd rather lambast him for his completely casual style of play from farming FP.

I've never actually seen him play well. He either blatantly mishammers, sheeps against his foses, or gets lynched for being useless/wrong.
You called me bad even before playing a single game with me. You're a jealous and embittered guy. You're now judging me on your own poor play. I still wonder why you're after me when your stats show you're maybe worse than MikeyRu. Improve yourself before judging other people. Thanks.
UniversalStudiosabout 11 years ago
Zhuorb
Also, lol at you guys suggesting changes. Lucid's hibernating. The only change that can be done is blacklisting idiotic setups to stop pointfarming. People will play those setups anyway, let them be unranked so that red hearts are taken seriously
Mods would rather cater to the vegetative nature of pointfarmers over culling them.
UniversalStudiosabout 11 years ago
EraldoCoil
UniversalStudios
SuperNova
Winrates are not hard to reach when you play FP. Golden hearts are not easy to fill that's why they allow some (really) bad players to play...
Including yourself.
I'm sorry UniversalStudios, you know that i have nothing but respect for you, but i'll have to disagree with you. Nova is a really great player and thanks to him and soda i got 2 conescutive rounds to 5th place. I learned a lot of things from both of them and Nova deserved his trophy this round.
You're free to think that, I'd rather lambast him for his completely casual style of play from farming FP.

I've never actually seen him play well. He either blatantly mishammers, sheeps against his foses, or gets lynched for being useless/wrong.
justrecabout 11 years ago
come on, another one of these threads?
Wildfireabout 11 years ago
BearGuru
Devante
The fact that you think moderating would be fun ever is pretty hilarious
reports would probably be really calming, not gonna lie
heh
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Devante
The fact that you think moderating would be fun ever is pretty hilarious
reports would probably be really calming, not gonna lie
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
The fact that you think moderating would be fun ever is pretty hilarious
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deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
plus, i'd feel too dirty if i started moderating without lucid giving me an ok first.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
moderating seemed like it would be fun when sachy, gary and riot were heading it. now, not so much.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
i don't really think there are any problem mods besides people i just flat out don't like, i just think the way cheating invs and the like are handled is done badly and poorly now but that's just me.
Satanabout 11 years ago
mod me, an ex-cheater. use me like they use criminals in psycho pass the anime
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Sims
for starters, start modding people who are interested in cheating investigations, like both bears.
i don't really want to mod anymore, modding with bill and pereking sounds like more agony than "i can help this site" at this point
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
to be honest comp's been symbolically dead for about half a year if not significantly longer so who cares
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Wildfireabout 11 years ago
Harrold
Wildfire
I'm not sure how to feel that my alt is mistaken for a retti account. mist on the other hand was widely mistaken for a kino account before it got outed.
Who the hell would ever think that mist was kino? It's a completely different aesthetic.
Like, half of sandbox thought so at first glance. Then after a single exchange with me they'd drop that notion.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Wildfire
I'm not sure how to feel that my alt is mistaken for a retti account. mist on the other hand was widely mistaken for a kino account before it got outed.
Who the hell would ever think that mist was kino? It's a completely different aesthetic.
Satanabout 11 years ago
Renaldo
I'd personally be interested what falls between the "appleofmyeye to justrec" spectrum. Sounds like a good thread waiting to happen.
on it boss