I originally filed an appeal against Mist, mistakenly believing that hip-firing being GT was the precedent ruling. I had this mistaken assumption because the last time I was active on this site, that was the case.
It is now clear that my actual appeal is against the current precedent. Mist was merely basing the verdict on current precedent, and has made no mistake in handling the original report
To me this seems like a very black/white scenario. Shooting a gun for the sake of shooting a gun is a clear indication that you do not care about the outcome of the game. If you cared about the outcome of the game, you would try to shoot in such a way that benefits town.
The current precedent treats hip-firing as trolling. Is there any merit in this? Is someone who randomly fires a gun trying to antagonize anyone, or is it that they do not care about winning?
Helsinki has taken the bold stand against the current precedent, and I imagine that moderators are discussing this among themselves before the next vote is cast.
Lets help them make the right decision. >>>>>>>>>
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Should hip-firing (shooting with no reads) be considered Game-throwing?
Yes57%33
No42%24
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
As dumb as it is, just the demonstratable intent. Game throwing is an intent violation and the guy that shoots without saying anything has plausible deniability
How is "I'm shooting the next person to talk" any different than shooting the first person to talk, or the first person on your gun meeting list, or someone you don't like?
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
yeah. reminds me of this game where retti was gunned bp and he hipfired pranay at daystart and it was still a town victory. it got a trolling violation and should've gotten a trolling vio b/c he did it since it was pranay and just wanted some lolz. it's just stupid to give people a gt violation every single time they random shoot b/c there's still a chance for town to win and if they don't abandon the chance to win they just deserve a trolling vio
loremaster helstickers can't help but talk about precedent
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
I accidentally opened the precedent can of worms; hip firing had always been potentially game throwing with evident intent, much like any other hand throwing situation. The actual issue was whether "next person to talk dies" is game throwing or not but now everyone's talking about precedent. My bad.
What we're debating is the act of hipfiring a gun without reads at the start of the day and hitting anyone. The outcome of the hipfire is irrelevant. Congratulations on managing to hit mafia, but in this scenario someone has reported you and yeah it should be ruled as GTing. It shouldn't change just because you managed to guess correctly.
gamethrowing is gamethrowing, shooting without reads is paying against your win condition which is gamethrowing. even if they're mafia, because if you hipfire without any single read by stastics alone, in every single setup you're more likely to hit town than mafia.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
But surely you make up for the """""""trolling""""""" you did by singlehandedly winning the game and lynching all the Mafia.
Yes because not getting reads and using the town's ML ineffectively is playing against your win condition.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
the answer to that scenario is the answer to your question.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
if you're doc and you try hard all game the cop is clear, mafia are in auto loss since they cc'd you and you don't save cop, mafia kill the cop, did you gamethrow?
Intentionally trying to antagonize other players in the game. You can still troll while trying to win. Trolling is as unrelated to your wincon as harassment or hateful comments is.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
If you hipfire then try hard for the remainder of the game and lynch all the mafia, did you gamethrow?
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