I originally filed an appeal against Mist, mistakenly believing that hip-firing being GT was the precedent ruling. I had this mistaken assumption because the last time I was active on this site, that was the case.
It is now clear that my actual appeal is against the current precedent. Mist was merely basing the verdict on current precedent, and has made no mistake in handling the original report
To me this seems like a very black/white scenario. Shooting a gun for the sake of shooting a gun is a clear indication that you do not care about the outcome of the game. If you cared about the outcome of the game, you would try to shoot in such a way that benefits town.
The current precedent treats hip-firing as trolling. Is there any merit in this? Is someone who randomly fires a gun trying to antagonize anyone, or is it that they do not care about winning?
Helsinki has taken the bold stand against the current precedent, and I imagine that moderators are discussing this among themselves before the next vote is cast.
Lets help them make the right decision. >>>>>>>>>
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Should hip-firing (shooting with no reads) be considered Game-throwing?
Yes57%33
No42%24
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
hipfiring in YYC a second into the day as sheriff is a better example of hipfiring = gt in that case. a&d is more situational though.
the general argument is: hipfiring cannot possibly be advantageous. It can be as i've just proven (mafia is narrowed). so a punishment of automatic GT after a hipfire is getting weaker
ya so shooting someone after a 2-3 min opener read, that someone was town. you've narrowed down ppl. mafia is easier to find by process. in a way it plays to your wincon
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
every single hipfire in a comp game is gamethrowing, i don't care what the violation is in red hearts.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
you can't say every hipfire is gamethrowing stop saying that
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Playing badly or sub optimally isn't game throwing. Why did you give zovea your password?
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
wtf?
deleteddeletedover 11 years agoedited
i'm going a step further and saying it's gamethrowing even if it wasn't because he's pranay solely because there will be cases where you don't know the intention of the shot, however if you shoot someone without reads and if you've ever played that sheriff blacksmith setup with Glacial you'll see him encourage people to do it nearly every single game. You're not playing to your win condition because you've only got a 3/8 chance of hitting mafia combined with a 2/8 chance of hitting the cop or the bs. You literally cannot have any intention of winning by hipfiring in that scenario, which is why it should be gamethrowing regardless of what you say your reason for the shot was.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
of course not bill, but in that case a trolling vio is more appropriate than a gt vio. and hipfiring is something that should be more game-by-game and not have a strict 'oh ok you hipfired so it's an auto trolling vio'.
I think generally everyone thinks a rapid shot is going against wincon so it's GT. can anyone think of a reason why it IS playing to your wincon? Twist hinted to it earlier, "Shooting someone quick then tryharding the rest of the game to find maf"
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Look at these forum posters just disagreeing with me because I am a moderator. They don't know how hard it is. They shouldn't even get posting privileges until they've walked an internet mile in my shoes
i think sims is looking for a more complete answer
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deleteddeletedover 11 years agoedited
Trolling in situations without implied grudge or for no game-related reasons Instant GT if theres grudge involved
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Seems like you think game throwing is specifically trying to lose rather than just not trying to win or prioritizing something else above winning. Is that fair to say?
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