Should hip-firing be GT?

GrudgeVoteover 11 years ago

This is not a complaint thread.

No mods have been injured in the making of this thread.

Parental discretion advised: contains gun violence.

I originally filed an appeal against Mist, mistakenly believing that hip-firing being GT was the precedent ruling. I had this mistaken assumption because the last time I was active on this site, that was the case.

It is now clear that my actual appeal is against the current precedent. Mist was merely basing the verdict on current precedent, and has made no mistake in handling the original report

To me this seems like a very black/white scenario. Shooting a gun for the sake of shooting a gun is a clear indication that you do not care about the outcome of the game. If you cared about the outcome of the game, you would try to shoot in such a way that benefits town.

The current precedent treats hip-firing as trolling. Is there any merit in this? Is someone who randomly fires a gun trying to antagonize anyone, or is it that they do not care about winning?

Helsinki has taken the bold stand against the current precedent, and I imagine that moderators are discussing this among themselves before the next vote is cast.

Lets help them make the right decision. >>>>>>>>>

Poll
Should hip-firing (shooting with no reads) be considered Game-throwing?
Yes57%33
No42%24
Simsover 11 years ago
mini-slow
GrudgeVoteover 11 years ago
helsinki
I'm gonna post my 4 post long essay on this when I get home
OK good. I assume it has the answer to my previous post.
deleteddeletedover 11 years agoedited
Its always been established trolling/GT unless people forgot all the hard work me and goodbar put into updating the precedent
Satanover 11 years ago
Sims
https://epicmafia.com/user/398729#/ if you tell me who this is i'll give you head
wow good question.

i think togepi might be onto something
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Simsover 11 years ago
you're Slow Jr.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Slow would never share his essay to the mods with the forum denizens because It's Us Against Them
GrudgeVoteover 11 years ago
helsinki
GrudgeVote


I guess I misinterpreted that post

How is "I'm shooting the next person to talk" any different than shooting the first person to talk, or the first person on your gun meeting list, or someone you don't like?
As dumb as it is, just the demonstratable intent. Game throwing is an intent violation and the guy that shoots without saying anything has plausible deniability
OK, its acceptable to give a lesser violation where intent is unknown, but I would hate to see something like a "hip-firing" violation that makes people afraid to shoot without asking for a claim. I also don't like that giving a trolling violation implies that they had intent to antagonize someone. In a case of unknown intent, what is the solution?
Togepiover 11 years ago
Sims
helsinki
I'm gonna post my 4 post long essay on this when I get home
that sounds like the kind of thing you used to make fun of slow for doing
Oooo...
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
helsinki
keri
helsinki
keri
no. giving someone a violation only based on the action of hipfiring is freaking stupid. other actions should also be looked @ and also previous vios ofc
If he shot him for being pranay, that's grudge shooting which is a game throw. If he shot pranay and said nothing, it's trolling
yes he wanted to antagonize pranay. jesus
I think removing a player from the game goes a step beyond antagonizing
he did it for the lolz not b/c he had the intention of not winning the game
Simsover 11 years ago
helsinki
I'm gonna post my 4 post long essay on this when I get home
that sounds like the kind of thing you used to make fun of slow for doing
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
I'm gonna post my 4 post long essay on this when I get home
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
keri
helsinki
keri
no. giving someone a violation only based on the action of hipfiring is freaking stupid. other actions should also be looked @ and also previous vios ofc
If he shot him for being pranay, that's grudge shooting which is a game throw. If he shot pranay and said nothing, it's trolling
yes he wanted to antagonize pranay. jesus
I think removing a player from the game goes a step beyond antagonizing
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
i really wish i had the game link but it was so obvious trolling
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
helsinki
keri
no. giving someone a violation only based on the action of hipfiring is freaking stupid. other actions should also be looked @ and also previous vios ofc
If he shot him for being pranay, that's grudge shooting which is a game throw. If he shot pranay and said nothing, it's trolling
yes he wanted to antagonize pranay. jesus
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
keri
no. giving someone a violation only based on the action of hipfiring is freaking stupid. other actions should also be looked @ and also previous vios ofc
If he shot him for being pranay, that's grudge shooting which is a game throw. If he shot pranay and said nothing, it's trolling
Togepiover 11 years ago
Okay so I'm not crazy in thinking that this is gting. Awesome.
Simsover 11 years ago
so what you're saying is, mod devante
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
no. giving someone a violation only based on the action of hipfiring is freaking stupid. other actions should also be looked @ and also previous vios ofc
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Devante
keri
Devante
keri
Devante
gamethrowing is gamethrowing, shooting without reads is paying against your win condition which is gamethrowing. even if they're mafia, because if you hipfire without any single read by stastics alone, in every single setup you're more likely to hit town than mafia.
no
are u sure bout that? lol
yeah. reminds me of this game where retti was gunned bp and he hipfired pranay at daystart and it was still a town victory. it got a trolling violation and should've gotten a trolling vio b/c he did it since it was pranay and just wanted some lolz. it's just stupid to give people a gt violation every single time they random shoot b/c there's still a chance for town to win and if they don't abandon the chance to win they just deserve a trolling vio
that's gamethrowing, grudge voting is gamethrowing... that's grudge shooting, aka gamethrowing.. retti wasn't given a violation for it because he's friends with the mods
I was about to make this exact post
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Simsover 11 years ago
i need to know for a friend
Togepiover 11 years ago
IT'S SOMEONE ASIAN.
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Simsover 11 years ago
https://epicmafia.com/user/398729#/ if you tell me who this is i'll give you head
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
keri
Devante
keri
Devante
gamethrowing is gamethrowing, shooting without reads is paying against your win condition which is gamethrowing. even if they're mafia, because if you hipfire without any single read by stastics alone, in every single setup you're more likely to hit town than mafia.
no
are u sure bout that? lol
yeah. reminds me of this game where retti was gunned bp and he hipfired pranay at daystart and it was still a town victory. it got a trolling violation and should've gotten a trolling vio b/c he did it since it was pranay and just wanted some lolz. it's just stupid to give people a gt violation every single time they random shoot b/c there's still a chance for town to win and if they don't abandon the chance to win they just deserve a trolling vio
that's gamethrowing, grudge voting is gamethrowing... that's grudge shooting, aka gamethrowing.. retti wasn't given a violation for it because he's friends with the mods
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
The real answer to the "is hip firing trolling or game throwing?" debate is that it's neither, but nobody responded to my essay on the mod forums about why so
Simsover 11 years ago
there are varying degrees of hipfiring and the ones that are most likely to be given trolling are like shooting really early in A&D off of day 1 reads