OK. I will contact all players of the game and ask if they have been contacted by mods about the game. I'll see how many, if any, respond to me positively.
If not, then that "witness" could have easily be "encouraged" to "testify" by the same "runner" who contacted you instead of reporting as he/she/it should have.
Even if that witness has no link to Mori, it's still a he said/she said situation. And I believe the reaction to this thread is pretty vocal on who the community think is right here.
By the way, before you start mouthing off about whether something is GTing, I'd go look at reports by you and every other person who's commented in here and see how many of you file GT reports for people who just do something badly, like forgetting to claim gunsmith in GnH.
Denial isn't moving goalposts. He's saying he didn't assume there was a pause because we know there was a pause.
How do we know? Someone came forward and told us. We trust them.
In the message you quoted Denial said
"that isn't true because there was a pause between the voting and the hammer (no, the message thecourier said wasn't the determination that there was a pause)"
I'm guessing you're taking issue with the way he phrased that. He's saying that it's not true that Phoenix misclicked because of the vote spam, because there was a pause.
I don't know what the winrate argument is. I finished 23rd on the board with a positive winrate, as did everyone above me except for GrannyPixel. That doesn't mean he's not playing carelessly.
By the way, we didn't disqualify him for cheating or throwing against runners through the round. We disqualified him for having two game violations in one round, both of them GTing. It was a coincidence that it happened on the last day.
I wasn't a mod in 2017, so I don't know what that situation is. As far as I know, none of the current mods are friends with Mori or have anything against Memoji. There's no reason for any of us to be swayed either way. The decision wasn't made by one mod.
Even more so when it's about gamethrow, which is not so easy to analyze. It's a violation not every moderator who has ever moderated understands. As an extreme example, I've yelled at Gerry several times when he was a mod for ruling something gamethrowing when it was just extremely poor play. This was not extremely bad play. This was someone who premeditatedly decided to hammer his own hooker out of autowin.
There's different ways of modding, some mods don't believe in being strict and some do. You can't count on something as being unreal simply because two mods don't agree.
You realize that in cases where there was definite proof of something being a certain way, mods still have had different opinions, right? Particularly since some mods are more lenient than others and I don't know Shoopie, but JonSnow is a person with a good heart who tries to see the best in people.
I should add here that if there was undeniable proof that there was a pause and therefore a gamethrow, and that us feeble mortals cannot see, Shoopie and JonSnow would be arguing for a vio here. Yet they aren't.
No issue denial, i just want to have a clear explanation, but BSM took over it seems. You can take your leave.
With that being said, your word isn't enough for this. We need proof of there being a sufficient "pause".
Using little brainpower I have, I can foresee three types of "proof" you can pull out of whatever hat you have : - An actual magical power, or a mod specific functionality (lel) - Testimony from one of the other 7 players (but why would that person not comment in report or speak in graveyard? we can always confirm with players if they have been contacted by mods...my guess is most will say "no") - You actually don't have anything and this loops back to Mori contacting BSM directly instead of reporting. (my money's here)
what do you want me to clarify? pause is established, hence he gets a vio
its not a "I cant really tell if theres a pause... im gonna just assume there was and give him a vio"
isn't this what you're complaining about? that you think im assuming there was a pause without anything to back it?
anyways, i'm done. my mod shift is only Monday-Fridays. all epicmafia related items will have to wait until the next business day, sorry for any inconveniences
(still waiting on denial btw. You're allowed to move goalposts and find another reason.)
BSM, i don't understand. As Patryk pointed out, Phoenixi ended the round with a positive winrate overall on his secondary alt. Is this what you call "not giving a f***"? Are we supposed to ban all previous players who trophied if their winrate across all alts aren't the same? This would roughly DQ 75% of all trophies in epicmafia history.
Also, is this the moment where you ACTUALLY go full meme and say you have magical powers and can prove your sole argument but can't "out sources"? lmfao. What is this, meg's ban in 2017?
Next mod conspiracy: Mods are corruptly helping Sammie trophy, she starts off with 5 more hearts than the rest of the players on her account "MachiKyouko"
We know there was a pause. We're not outting our source for obvious reasons. Mori's already copped enough crap in this thread, we're not landing someone else in it too.
Phoenixi's play differs in that he doesn't give a fùck on that account. He showed that with his first vio in the round: https://epicmafia.com/report/253532
In that one he instantly grudge votes a town player and GTs by starting the BW on them.
I'll dumb this down. I'm not assuming there was a pause.
Also lol. My first thought wasn't "there was a pause" vs "there wasn't a pause" My first thought was "was there a pause??"
Also logical thinking would be you thinking "ok so how does he know there was a pause when I dont" since I keep insisting there was. You just choose to ramble about how you THINK I'm making the assumption there was a pause because I thought he threw.
Like yikes dude You're sitting here complaining about how you think I'm making assumptions in order to win this argument and then in the same post made several assumptions that were wrong in order to try to argue I'm using a fallacy
You said "so now its just whether there was a pause or not"
But everyone agrees that theres no way to find out. And you're arguing it was a throw.
So one of the two : - You have magical powers and know for sure there is a pause, but can't share with us the proof. - You are guessing there's a pause. But why would one guess there's a pause, if not to incriminate phoe?
So yes, from a logical perspective, it's obvious the "memoji threw" part comes before the "there was a pause" in your reasoning.
Therefore making it circular reasoning.
I'll dumb it down harder : when you saw the timestamp, why did "there was a pause" win vs "there wasnt" in your mind?
