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8 vio ban reform/leash reform

deleteddeletedover 8 years ago

Banning people from EM for 6+ months at times, just makes people bypass and throw. This makes the game worse for us all and makes more work for the mods/role mods.

I propose that we have a point system that determines the length of the ban and gives people a leash to show that they are reformed. These points are just starting values, but this will likely need changed drastically before being implemented.

Points:

Cheating: 10

gt vio 2:6, 3:8, 4: 10points

grs 2+: 6

bypassing: 6

sharing account with banned user: 3

harassment/hateful comments: 2

all other vios at each level are 1 point

Points determine punishment when you reach 8 vios: Leash allows players to play ranked and eventually competition when they are under 15 points of vios.

10 or less: 1 month ban or release once the 1st vio runs out. Record is erased on leash after 1month of good behavior on leash.

10-20: 1 month ban or released to leash once 1 vio runs out. Vios worth 1 point are deleted after 2 months of good behavior.

30+ points: 1 month ban. vios worth 1 point are deleted after 3 months of good behavior.

Becomeclearover 8 years ago
do people still read posts that are above 5 sentences on this website and if so, why?
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deleteddeletedover 8 years ago
blacksnakemoan
Given that the current ban length is three months or more, and your system has a maximum of onw month, it sounds like you're proposing a system which will only see you banned for a sixth of the time you deserve when you inevitably accumulate eight violations for being an insufferable prat.
this is wrong. I propose a 1 month ban entirely (unless a vio runs out before that) for people with less severe vios, and then a trial period where they need to play cleanly and not get a vio. If they get a vio, they are banned again.

For people with more severe vios they can play games again only after a month but they can't go to competition.

This encourages people to not bypass and play by the rules and turn from their bad ways
blacksnakemoanover 8 years ago
Given that the current ban length is three months or more, and your system has a maximum of onw month, it sounds like you're proposing a system which will only see you banned for a sixth of the time you deserve when you inevitably accumulate eight violations for being an insufferable prat.
Zippyvinmanover 8 years ago
this ngga trying to turn EM into call of duty wwii pick a class ayy lmao
Mertensover 8 years ago
this ngga trying to turn EM into call of duty wwii pick a class ayy lmao
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deleteddeletedover 8 years ago
dreamgate if you do not like this idea or think it will not work, can you actually state why and give constructive feedback? this is a brainstorming session
deleteddeletedover 8 years ago
SunShines
LazyYami
1. Rewrite the rules, clearly define EVERYTHING so there is no confusion when someone breaks a rule.

2. Have all mods deal w/ reports and give verdicts under the same guidelines. The reason people complain about precedent is because under same/similar situations 2 different mods will deal w/ the report differently. Only exception to this should be if the player is actually new.

3. Remove Warning vios, a note should be a warning. It's there to NOTE that someone has already done something in the past/

I have no idea how long these current rules have been how they are but I know they haven't really changed since I joined this site and that's been 1 1/2 years. I honestly think it's time to make some fixes and create a system that removes ANY bias or confusion.
think that this is the first time we agree on anything!!!!!!!!!!

everything that you say here is so true and this needs changed. Part of this change should include fixing the penalty system
please don't make a new thread asking to implement this idea
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deleteddeletedover 8 years ago
LazyYami
1. Rewrite the rules, clearly define EVERYTHING so there is no confusion when someone breaks a rule.

2. Have all mods deal w/ reports and give verdicts under the same guidelines. The reason people complain about precedent is because under same/similar situations 2 different mods will deal w/ the report differently. Only exception to this should be if the player is actually new.

3. Remove Warning vios, a note should be a warning. It's there to NOTE that someone has already done something in the past/

I have no idea how long these current rules have been how they are but I know they haven't really changed since I joined this site and that's been 1 1/2 years. I honestly think it's time to make some fixes and create a system that removes ANY bias or confusion.
think that this is the first time we agree on anything!!!!!!!!!!

everything that you say here is so true and this needs changed. Part of this change should include fixing the penalty system
deleteddeletedover 8 years agoedited
Bypassing and throwing is a choice by the user not the mod. The rules are there not to be broken. They make it that amount on purpose, and if you decide to break the rules, that's on you.
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deleteddeletedover 8 years ago
1. Rewrite the rules, clearly define EVERYTHING so there is no confusion when someone breaks a rule.

2. Have all mods deal w/ reports and give verdicts under the same guidelines. The reason people complain about precedent is because under same/similar situations 2 different mods will deal w/ the report differently. Only exception to this should be if the player is actually new.

3. Remove Warning vios, a note should be a warning. It's there to NOTE that someone has already done something in the past/

I have no idea how long these current rules have been how they are but I know they haven't really changed since I joined this site and that's been 1 1/2 years. I honestly think it's time to make some fixes and create a system that removes ANY bias or confusion.
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denialover 8 years ago
actually i realized what i linked might not be the best evidence since i'd have to find people with 8 vios that include at least a 6 month vio in it and trying to find the 8 vios a user has when they're usually multiaccounting is enough of a headache

either way, theres no way that the 8 month vio was intended to have users banned for 6 months rather than 3

everything is a 3 month suspension, even the violations that last for 6 months are giving you a 3 month suspension

i think the wording of the rule just made some mods overlook that there are no longer any 6 month bans
deleteddeletedover 8 years ago
I think what happened there was:

Once upon a time the site was hacked by Robert (Arcbell *kiss*) and he deleted all of the rules so Jordan (Whitepimp) and I had to go back and copy paste all the rules and consequences back from an old saved copy, but the 8 violation ban change was probably overlooked

Then from there, new mods came in and just did things the old way and the change was completely forgotten/overlooked
deleteddeletedover 8 years ago
"Eighth Violation Ban
Accumulating 8 active violations across all accounts results in a ban. Once all violations expire, the ban is lifted.'

This makes no sense... If anyone giving out an 8 vio ban is even following what the rules say it shouldn't be 6 months from when the report is filed.
deleteddeletedover 8 years ago
ya I don't know when that rule was changed back to what it was because the thread Cody made is still stickied in the mod forums, denial

I even thought that's how it was supposed to be for a while and just remembered that's how I was doing things (since afaik it was never changed?)

https://epicmafia.com/report/238457
JM123over 8 years ago
denial STOP ILL DIE
denialover 8 years ago
CORRECT THIS MISTAKE. UNLESS YOU'RE SAYING YOU CHANGED THE RULES FOR BANNING

GRRR
JM123over 8 years ago
so drunk rn
denialover 8 years ago
SunShines
denial
SunShines
denial
i don't care about anything else other than pointing out the fact that people shouldnt be getting banned for 6 months

it should be 3 months max
this is an example. they have been doing 6months even when you were a mod: https://epicmafia.com/report/234031
no... i wasn't a mod 2 months ago
i think they have been giving 6month vios the whole time i have been on em
no they haven't

it's just 8 month vios are something you honestly don't run into that much and people saying its hard to not get 8 vios are silly

i had to dig them up but heres two examples of the 8 violation bans giving 3 month suspensions like they should be

https://epicmafia.com/report/201661

https://epicmafia.com/report/202859
deleteddeletedover 8 years ago
denial
SunShines
denial
i don't care about anything else other than pointing out the fact that people shouldnt be getting banned for 6 months

it should be 3 months max
this is an example. they have been doing 6months even when you were a mod: https://epicmafia.com/report/234031
no... i wasn't a mod 2 months ago
i think they have been giving 6month vios the whole time i have been on em
deleteddeletedover 8 years ago
LazyYami
Well maybe they shouldn't break the rules. It's no ones fault besides theirs for trolling or isping more than once. The second you get a 1st vio for ANYTHING maybe you should stop doing what you just did.
how do you avoid breaking unclear rules? Like no one knows meteor and hipfire rules now for example. Additionally corrupt mods just make up every vio they can to try to ban people they hate. The mods refuse to explain why they gave it. Like I just got a note for OGI today, and they will not tell me what I even did wrong so I can fix it later.

I agree that you should not keep repeating the same mistakes but you can get the same vio for completely different things and simply not know that you messed up

The rule system should encourage people to want to play fairly and learn to do this.
denialover 8 years ago
SunShines
denial
i don't care about anything else other than pointing out the fact that people shouldnt be getting banned for 6 months

it should be 3 months max
this is an example. they have been doing 6months even when you were a mod: https://epicmafia.com/report/234031
no... i wasn't a mod 2 months ago
D3xTr0m3th0rph4nover 8 years ago
We should just ban everyone so there would never be another rule broken again..fix the people, not the system.
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deleteddeletedover 8 years ago
denial
i don't care about anything else other than pointing out the fact that people shouldnt be getting banned for 6 months

it should be 3 months max
this is an example. they have been doing 6months even when you were a mod: https://epicmafia.com/report/234031
deleteddeletedover 8 years ago
SunShines
LazyYami
The idea of a leash is stupid in general. Either follow the already stupid rules that are not black and white and fully defined or don't. If you're going to ban someone until a specific date then they're banned until then. The only way I see someone should be unbanned or put on a "leash" is if they are found innocent of w/e reason they were banned.
a lot of people get 8 vios playing even cleanly to start with. this is designed to help these guys. These people troll, isp, etc their way to a ban. it punishes the cheating/throw accounts more but it still gives them a chance to become good citizens
Well maybe they shouldn't break the rules. It's no ones fault besides theirs for trolling or isping more than once. The second you get a 1st vio for ANYTHING maybe you should stop doing what you just did.

SunShines
lacey
why do you make so many bad posts whining about sh/it
why do you not make posts that try to improve the site?
People have posted so many f*cking suggestions that could improve this site the slightest yet they're always turned down. Either the admins/mods don't care enough to even try and make changes or they don't have the power too. Who knows? Not like they even say anything that's going on.
deleteddeletedover 8 years ago
Calvin
if you make a new system, maybe, possibly, it might work, but this one just doesn't do the trick
explain what would work and the problems with this