Even if you want to go with the uptick of fascism and white nationalism. Attacking them doesn't help your cause. All it does is give them more ammunition to say, "look how crazy the left has become".
One of the funny things is you guys fail to do is understand correlation vs causation. "After Trump won the white house, hate crimes raised."
This could also do with the fact with the high increase of terrorism in western countries in the last few years. Saying that its the west's fault for not being inclusive enough and that we should all just come together. Then terrorism will stop; Is extremely naive and counter intuitive.
I'm not saying that hate crimes of any sort should ever happen, they shouldn't, nor should certain people be barred from entering. But the liberal apology tour for other groups and just blaming the west and white people, is part of the cause for the rise of "white nationalism".
For the liberals having such a high college graduate segment, it's really sad how naive their world view is.
no, i attacked you for defining communism in a way that was not accurate at all. if you actually did understand it this whole time, it really did not look like it.
u dont understand basic ideas of marxism leninsm tho, u dont understand that there r anarcho commies that were murdered in the ussr, and leftcom, orthodox marxists who 2 went to the gulags
out of the 5 modern communist countries, would you not say their governments control everything?
mccarthy 2020
i mean from a technical definition, if those countries control everything, then they aren't a fully implemented communist society. it's supposed to have public ownership and no state.
you could argue that -attempting- communism inherently leads to government control, though
This has been my argument the whole time... Then you attack me for not understanding what communism is.
out of the 5 modern communist countries, would you not say their governments control everything?
mccarthy 2020
i mean from a technical definition, if those countries control everything, then they aren't a fully implemented communist society. it's supposed to have public ownership and no state.
you could argue that -attempting- communism inherently leads to government control, though
You are beyond saving. You haven't said anything or even tried to debate me. All you have said is just read about communism and you'll see how it works.
That's because I'm not trying to have a serious debate with you. I'm asking you to read the actual theory on the topic of Communism, because if you want to have a debate about it, it's important that you know what you're talking about, and you clearly showed that you don't know even the dictionary definition of communism.
There's a lot of responses to the argument that society can't grow without a hierarchy - primarily, I don't think that's a particularly strong argument because it's based on "it's never happened before, so it can't work now" instead of something that inherently makes it impossible to happen. I think society can absolutely advance in a scenario like that, but it depends how you're defining "advance", since it's a vague word.
I said the literal definition never work because the coalition who put in place will never step down. Power has to go to somebody to put this into place; they will never step down. Ever. I have said that multiple times. ?
I'm specifically referring to the posts you made that said communism was about "the government controlling everything", as well as another one that I forgot.
Who said that there wouldn't be ways to advance under communism? There would be public ownership of things, but there would still be producers creating those things. The difference is that it would be a society where the things produced would actually be shared to benefit the collective good.
I wanna note that I don't actually have a strong stance on whether or not communism would -truly- work because I'm not sure, but I just get frustrated when people misunderstand it.