PETRI BACK TO HER OLD WAYS

vildenover 9 years ago

https://epicmafia.com/report/204546

THIS IS GREAT I'M LAUGHING

SO MUCH FOR BEING REFORMED

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poserover 9 years ago
projectmatt
poser
Ok but is there any studies that people can actually identify as multiple genders throughout the day and week without a mental illness? I believe transgender people don't have a mental illness personally. I think it's purely just being born the wrong gender. But I fail to see how anyone could be both whenever they want.. like.. that seems more like flat out confusion to me
do you mean people who are gender-fluid? i've done almost zero research on that topic.
Yeah. I also don't understand identifying as neither gender but it makes more sense than switching around.
projectmattover 9 years ago
thecolonel
you're literally just telling me "these are the opinions i've read"
no, it's "i linked you a bunch of peer-reviewed, academic, scientific studies that correlate to what i'm talking about, but you aren't reading them because you think what they are trying to point toward isn't possible"
AsbelLhantover 9 years ago
Are trans persons our attempt at the "sneaky fuc'ker theory" assuming no surgery? There's biological pressure and increasing cultural pressure from our continual lowering of 'men' values.
thecolonelover 9 years ago
projectmatt
thecolonel
it doesn't matter how many articles you link if they don't say anything
it seems that you're not actually reading what any of them have to say, though. in fact, you straight-up refused to read an article because you thought that the thesis wouldn't be provable.
i read the abstract and there was obviously no methodology in it that would back up what they said. i don't have library access so i can't read the full things until my BRO wakes up
projectmattover 9 years ago
poser
Ok but is there any studies that people can actually identify as multiple genders throughout the day and week without a mental illness? I believe transgender people don't have a mental illness personally. I think it's purely just being born the wrong gender. But I fail to see how anyone could be both whenever they want.. like.. that seems more like flat out confusion to me
do you mean people who are gender-fluid? i've done almost zero research on that topic.
thecolonelover 9 years ago
you're literally just telling me "these are the opinions i've read"
projectmattover 9 years ago
thecolonel
it doesn't matter how many articles you link if they don't say anything
it seems that you're not actually reading what any of them have to say, though. in fact, you straight-up refused to read an article because you thought that the thesis wouldn't be provable.
poserover 9 years ago
Ok but is there any studies that people can actually identify as multiple genders throughout the day and week without a mental illness? I believe transgender people don't have a mental illness personally. I think it's purely just being born the wrong gender. But I fail to see how anyone could be both whenever they want.. like.. that seems more like flat out confusion to me
projectmattover 9 years ago
Rutab
This is where I'm always confused: If gender-roles and brain chemistry aren't set in stone, and people are doing their best to break norms, why are others hell-bent on fitting in with the opposite stereotypes and norms if it's not their own assigned sex?

Attempting to play devil's advocate because it's 4:40 AM and for some reason my mind has been racing too much to sleep. I have to be up in 3 hours lol
not sure -quite- what you mean, but the general idea is that gender roles are almost always a construct, so people try to do things that are perceived as "for the other gender only" to break the idea that certain genders -need- to do certain things
thecolonelover 9 years ago
it doesn't matter how many articles you link if they don't say anything
projectmattover 9 years ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_transgender_people_in_the_United_States#Prior_to_1800

ok i'm losing energy quickly because it is almost 5:am, but here's some info about transgenderism existing far before the 2010's.

but obviously, if there were soldiers who were transgender, they would be likely to not speak/consider/contemplate it, because it was not socially acceptable in any way, shape or form.
Rutabover 9 years ago
This is where I'm always confused: If gender-roles and brain chemistry aren't set in stone, and people are doing their best to break norms, why are others hell-bent on fitting in with the opposite stereotypes and norms if it's not their own assigned sex?

Attempting to play devil's advocate because it's 4:40 AM and for some reason my mind has been racing too much to sleep. I have to be up in 3 hours lol
projectmattover 9 years ago
thecolonel
it's pointing to that idea because it's what you want to believe. there's no reason to interpret it that way from what you said. there's no reason for you to say that "our brains are wired in a certain way that point to how we perceive our gender." there's no support for that idea
from anything i've read and looked at regarding the issue, our sense of gender identity comes from our brain, and it seems like a clear correlation that part of the reason why that is, is due to the fact that the brain chemistry is different in genders, so the dissonance would come from our brains innately telling us that something is wrong. i'd be happy to look up even more info/articles about the subject if you would like..
thecolonelover 9 years ago
projectmatt
AsbelLhant
It's not 100% biological and not 100% cultural but they both contribute.
yeah, i'm not saying that it's 100% biological - but that it has been shown that we have brain chemistry that impacts our gender identity
i just thank god for all of those transgendered world war ii soldiers
projectmattover 9 years ago
Rutab
But relating that back to gender, wouldn't the issue stem straight from the brain's own perception of itself? That's where the dysphoria and sense of disorder would come from, in my opinion.
i mean, if somebody is born with male genitals, but their brain chemistry has more in common with the brain chemistry of somebody who is female - that can be where it would come from, if that's what you mean? the brain perceives itself to be a certain way that is in conflict with its sex.
thecolonelover 9 years ago
it's pointing to that idea because it's what you want to believe. there's no reason to interpret it that way from what you said. there's no reason for you to say that "our brains are wired in a certain way that point to how we perceive our gender." there's no support for that idea
Rutabover 9 years ago
This is not playing into the discussion of being transgendered per se, but how can a brain be inherently "in disagreement" with the body or any body part?

But relating that back to gender, wouldn't the issue stem straight from the brain's own perception of itself? That's where the dysphoria and sense of disorder would come from, in my opinion.
projectmattover 9 years ago
AsbelLhant
It's not 100% biological and not 100% cultural but they both contribute.
yeah, i'm not saying that it's 100% biological - but that it has been shown that we have brain chemistry that impacts our gender identity
AsbelLhantover 9 years ago
It's not 100% biological and not 100% cultural but they both contribute.
projectmattover 9 years ago
thecolonel
projectmatt
thecolonel
males and females have a different nervous makeup, so are you saying transgender people have growth hormone imbalances which gave them the wrong brain? what would support that?
from what i've researched, there's not an overwhelming consensus on where the dissonance comes from - but it has been shown that the makeup of our brain determines how we perceive ourselves, so the argument often goes that a transgender persons brain and body are in disagreement
cultural influences determine how you see yourself too right?
yup, it can
projectmattover 9 years ago
thecolonel
what does that thesis have to do with gender identity? it looks like you're just saying that there are s.e.x.u.a.l. differences in neurology. i don't get how you can interpret it that way
the thesis is pointing to the idea that there is a biological origin to gender identity, because our brains are wired in a specific way that point to our gender, and how we perceive our own gender. so, if somebody is born with a different -sex- than their brain chemistry has shaped itself to be, that's where many argue the dissonance comes from with transgender people. do you get what i mean? it's 4:30 am so i might not be wording it properly

there's also a whole bunch of other articles on the topic as well
thecolonelover 9 years ago
projectmatt
thecolonel
males and females have a different nervous makeup, so are you saying transgender people have growth hormone imbalances which gave them the wrong brain? what would support that?
from what i've researched, there's not an overwhelming consensus on where the dissonance comes from - but it has been shown that the makeup of our brain determines how we perceive ourselves, so the argument often goes that a transgender persons brain and body are in disagreement
cultural influences determine how you see yourself too right?
thecolonelover 9 years ago
what does that thesis have to do with gender identity? it looks like you're just saying that there are s.e.x.u.a.l. differences in neurology. i don't get how you can interpret it that way
Rutabover 9 years ago
I can't believe a thread about Petri turned into a discussion about being transgendered
projectmattover 9 years ago
thecolonel
males and females have a different nervous makeup, so are you saying transgender people have growth hormone imbalances which gave them the wrong brain? what would support that?
from what i've researched, there's not an overwhelming consensus on where the dissonance comes from - but it has been shown that the makeup of our brain determines how we perceive ourselves, so the argument often goes that a transgender persons brain and body are in disagreement