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Should hip-firing be GT?

GrudgeVoteover 11 years ago

This is not a complaint thread.

No mods have been injured in the making of this thread.

Parental discretion advised: contains gun violence.

I originally filed an appeal against Mist, mistakenly believing that hip-firing being GT was the precedent ruling. I had this mistaken assumption because the last time I was active on this site, that was the case.

It is now clear that my actual appeal is against the current precedent. Mist was merely basing the verdict on current precedent, and has made no mistake in handling the original report

To me this seems like a very black/white scenario. Shooting a gun for the sake of shooting a gun is a clear indication that you do not care about the outcome of the game. If you cared about the outcome of the game, you would try to shoot in such a way that benefits town.

The current precedent treats hip-firing as trolling. Is there any merit in this? Is someone who randomly fires a gun trying to antagonize anyone, or is it that they do not care about winning?

Helsinki has taken the bold stand against the current precedent, and I imagine that moderators are discussing this among themselves before the next vote is cast.

Lets help them make the right decision. >>>>>>>>>

Poll
Should hip-firing (shooting with no reads) be considered Game-throwing?
Yes57%33
No42%24
57 votes
Satanover 11 years ago
mist
Satan
its game throwing, when (weird freakin' thought) someone thrOWS THE GAME BY SHOOTING. and how do you define throwing a game?

by playing against yr win condition??


and how do you play against yr win condition??

you DO THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN UR TEAMS BEST INTEREST


thank you have a good night.

special shout out to Mist, Patrick, and myself
mishammering isn't in your teams best interest.
same with being a bad mafia player so i guess im a serial gamethrower
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
It becomes naseuating when nothing gets done but check later when this is moved to OT for the real fun
Hibikiover 11 years ago
are people turned off by the dice term? should i be rephrasing it in order to seem less wrong or hung up?
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Satan
its game throwing, when (weird freakin' thought) someone thrOWS THE GAME BY SHOOTING. and how do you define throwing a game?

by playing against yr win condition??


and how do you play against yr win condition??

you DO THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN UR TEAMS BEST INTEREST


thank you have a good night.

special shout out to Mist, Patrick, and myself
mishammering isn't in your teams best interest.
vildenover 11 years ago
this site can be so repelling and brutal from threads like this but i can't seem to look away
Orlyover 11 years ago
i remember the days when the forums were so hotheaded and smarmy that i dared not even post, lest crypto and his vagabond vifam tear me asunder with their furious circular jerks, with nbt actually masturbating from afar
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
My posts are average and im OK with that
Satanover 11 years ago
its game throwing, when (weird freakin' thought) someone thrOWS THE GAME BY SHOOTING. and how do you define throwing a game?

by playing against yr win condition??


and how do you play against yr win condition??

you DO THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN UR TEAMS BEST INTEREST


thank you have a good night.

special shout out to Mist, Patrick, and myself
Hibikiover 11 years ago
bill, i'm not understanding how someone who shoots out the gate has plausible deniability. what justification for it is there other than "i was just yoloing" AKA rolling the dice
Orlyover 11 years ago
Patrick
How long can we argue about semantics because I thought I answered this 2 hours ago
in the absence of quality shitposting, the forums have resorted to theoryposting
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
i love knowing that retti the badposter is one drink away at any and all moments from turning into retti the best badposter
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Btw I agree with billstickers, it just gets gt when theres grudge implied but again lol
deleteddeletedover 11 years agoedited
Patrick
How long can we argue about semantics because I thought I answered this 2 hours ago
don't mind me, i'm just trying to make a singular good post in this thread before it winds down because all of mine have been bad so far. no luck.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
How long can we argue about semantics because I thought I answered this 2 hours ago
Satanover 11 years ago
mist
Polo
I don't think hipfiring taking a player out of the game necessarily makes it more severe than trolling (this seems subjective, and not particularly worth arguing) or see how a separate vio would demonstrate this increased severity.
why'd you have to add that parenthetical??? gdi you're so WRONG.
you tell em Mist!!!
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
apparently when i post a detailed explanation of why hip firing isn't gamethrowing it's okay to ignore it entirely because "i dont think that's important"
Hibikiover 11 years ago
Polo
I guess I was more directly talking to other people about it, but more with the "it's not GT" argument. There didn't seem that much progress to make on the other arguments you had.

I don't think hipfiring taking a player out of the game necessarily makes it more severe than trolling (this seems subjective, and not particularly worth arguing) or see how a separate vio would demonstrate this increased severity. Especially, 'cause you think that increasing the suspension hours is too much.

It's not at all comparable to drunking the cop in an otherwise autowin scenario, or other GT actions, because it's random and "troll", not directly against the win condition.

I think what you brought up with Keri about whether not playing to your win condition counted as GT, but ISP'ing all game isnt' gamethrowing, and that's as neutral as it gets. I think GT requires something more than troll play/apathy, and there aren't really other relevant situations where someone plays not towards their win condition but not against it directly to worry about.

U sure called me out tho?
i honestly can't comprehend this post at all
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Slow
anyway let's stop talking about gary since that makes this thread really weird, IMO
regardless of that entire situation i can always appreciate a good crank, and he nearly gave soda the best crank of all
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
anyway let's stop talking about gary since that makes this thread really weird, IMO
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Slow
i still don't know why mods let prevail get a trophy but not devante
don't blame me, i was the one responsible for making sure betmen couldn't finish 9th
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Polo
I don't think hipfiring taking a player out of the game necessarily makes it more severe than trolling (this seems subjective, and not particularly worth arguing) or see how a separate vio would demonstrate this increased severity.
why'd you have to add that parenthetical??? gdi you're so WRONG.
Hibikiover 11 years ago
Devante
Orly
Josh could have gotten a lot more people banned, as far as i know.

still waiting on those skype logs to be leaked.
i think shivv is the one who has them tbh cant wait for those leakz
the note implied someone IRL
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
i still don't know why mods let prevail get a trophy but not devante
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Orlyover 11 years agoedited
i liked sweeper more when he didn't know who i was

im thinking the feeling is mutual
Aesopover 11 years ago
my favorite sweeper moment was when he taunted devante about not being able to run. after getting me a harassment vio that doesn't expire until september, i mean
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