Edark, I replied to you a few pages back and I don't know where it is. I was agreeing with you entirely, sorry for not making that clear.

Ediz#randomnumber, looking at that game you got reported for, I'd say you screwed it. Going purely on the statement that you got blitzed because you "weren't expecting it", I'd suggest you've got an enormous gap in your knowledge. Also, you don't have to sheep the clear. But it looks to me like you agreed with the clear right up to the point where the GS said that they didn't want hipfiring - which is a fair call given the BP previously hipfired and up. So yeah, you screwed that game royally. Should be a vio, yet it looks like the report let you off.

Clears aren't infallible though, and anyone who propagates that nonsense should be shot.

EDIT: PRANAY IS INFALLIBLE AND HOW DARE YOU SAY OTHERWISE. /s

Well I don't think things should be decomped for being scumsided; I think it is fine even if it is super scumsided, like A&D. It's the players' choice to play the scumsided setups.

no it isn't

Reverse mafia is far from a pointfarm for any specifik alignment lol

Yes the devil is alive.

Reverse falls into the "dumbed down into a point farm" category.

SDS and A&D are immune to being point farmed by zombies because they're inherently scum sided like any setup should be.

It's about time we had another FGM round.

Tell 'em, girl.

With that awfull argument you can justify comping all sort of setups, like reverse mafia

That's a dumb metric to go by. Setups should only be removed if they are actually favoring one side over the other, or if they're being dumbed down into town point farm like most of the popular setups being being played.

There's no reason why we should decrease comp viability simply because FP farmers are zombies.

Setups shouldnt be allowed to stay comped if they have a 41% town win%

Blacklist this trash

A&D is bad because the clear can't die and it's only on him so nothing can change. If you don't follow him you're shot or lynched because he said so. For example in VDLI Prs lead but they can die and it's not only on a single guy.

Let's be honest, I had a trophy because I mainly joined a setup which allows almost no clear so it's on everybody. I could lead about 70% of these games pr or not.

I don't wanna win a trophy that I don't deserve, a trophy based on how the BP was good... No thanks.

oh my god who is freeing A&D lol

Just try and survive out there. If you win, you are cool, else you become a forum whiner and say things like-

"bad setups"

"bad players"

"bad site meta"

A true player goes out and brings change himself instead.

clears having total control on lylo is a necessity. on a ml tho? i would rather lose a game being lynched for not blindly sheeping or crossing than feed that meta.

haha this argument is still going on and A&D still freaking SUCKS

Lashka

PR's having total control is a site meta that was brought on by Brownpimp and Pranay ~2 years ago, along with the "self vote for clear" crap. Setups are not the problem here. The site meta is the problem. And fixing that is pretty much impossible.

It's not impossible if more and more people not follow the clear. The challenge is to encourage having your own reads, if need be by offering tokens and whatever is needed.

If enough people do it, people will remain pissed and eventually realize that the meta doesn't work that easily anymore.

It's an utopia that's unlikely to happen, but there's nothing wrong with trying to fix it

PR's having total control is a site meta that was brought on by Brownpimp and Pranay ~2 years ago, along with the "self vote for clear" crap. Setups are not the problem here. The site meta is the problem. And fixing that is pretty much impossible.

A&D used to be "different" in that it was the only setup where BP was given total control. it hasn't changed, but now every setup gives PRs total control so A&D is not nearly as bad in comparison

Hibiki

@Peta "looking" and "being" are two different things

What's the use in being right if you don't look right? If Riot knows the right answer but keeps it to himself then nobody needs Riot!!

Sims

Yeah, the only thing the BP has control of is the fun shot. After that it's pretty much like playing a game of vdli

Technically, but it sure plays out like he got the whole burden of the lynch.

Yeah, the only thing the BP has control of is the fun shot. After that it's pretty much like playing a game of vdli