[POLL] Scumclaims and partners

Enamoredalmost 12 years ago

Should claiming scum and/or outing your partner ever be tolerated, even as a WIFOM "tactic", or should it be outlawed completely no matter the circumstance?

"Gamethrowing" is in quotation marks because it cannot be guaranteed to be truly gamethrowing, but would be treated as such.

Poll
What do you think?
WIFOM "tactic" should be permittable75%36
Considered a form of "gamethrowing"14%7
Get its own violation10%5
Enamoredalmost 12 years agoedited
"you can't just assume something is the case even though it's the only logical outcome, outside of pretending"
deleteddeletedalmost 12 years ago
Then maybe you should explain it better.
Enamoredalmost 12 years ago
Vancy
When you resort to making petty comments like that, it's pretty apparent you don't have much of an argument.
no it doesn't. it's questioning your understanding of what i said because clearly you didn't understand it
Stevenalmost 12 years ago
I wasn't talking to you Connor. Someone else said that it was okay, thank you very much
Stevenalmost 12 years ago
Then anyone that pretends to slip talking to someone that is town should be banned
deleteddeletedalmost 12 years agoedited
When you resort to making petty comments like that, it's pretty apparent you don't have much of an argument.
Enamoredalmost 12 years agoedited
Steven
Also if you say y is mafia when they're town should not be disallowed then you're arguing inconsistently, because the entire basis of the argument is "pretending to GT should be a violation".
what i don't like about your arguments in all threads is that you like to throw around anything that will stick. clearly you didn't even read this post
Enamored
there is a very good reason to blanket ban scumclaiming and partner "outing" - both true and false.
that directly states that i am in the camp of disallowing both true and false outings
Simsalmost 12 years ago
i think pretending to gt should be treated as actual gamethrowing
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Stevenalmost 12 years agoedited
Its the same atrophy, your first few sentences that is
Stevenalmost 12 years ago
Also if you say y is mafia when they're town should not be disallowed then you're arguing inconsistently, because the entire basis of the argument is "pretending to GT should be a violation".
Enamoredalmost 12 years ago
Vancy
But you can't just assume that its done with the intention of hurting your team. You have to take it by a case to case basis. If someone legitimately thinks outting their partners as WIFOM is a good idea, it isn't game-throwing.
are you dense
deleteddeletedalmost 12 years agoedited
But you can't just assume that its done with the intention of hurting your team. You have to take it by a case to case basis. If someone legitimately thinks outting their partners as WIFOM is a good idea, it isn't game-throwing.

Is bussing game-throwing despite being a sub-optimal strategy and directly undermining your teammates?
Atrophyalmost 12 years ago
btw pretending to slip or say something mafia would naturally say to their confirmed partners while still trying to win to make town think something is acceptable imo... it's just when ur pretending to help town or actually helping town. so a hint town thinks is a mistake u made is ok. a hint that town knows is 100% wifom is ok. a hint that town thinks is genuinely trying to give away mafia is not ok.
Stevenalmost 12 years agoedited
Enamored
giving town a hint would be gamethrowing. so why isn't giving them a "hint" gamethrowing?
Stop thinking so narrowly. You're not actually giving them a hint, you don't even want to make them think you gave them a hint. The purpose is to make the game about a question of in which from the hint would be given. You're saying "this is someone that could be my partner" but being more assertive, and making them wonder of whether you would mention the correct person or not
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Enamoredalmost 12 years ago
not saying i support that idea. i'm just saying it's not entirely implausible
Enamoredalmost 12 years ago
Vancy
Well it can't be game-throwing. That would mean changing the entire basis of the rule. If you don't intend to throw a game you can't get a game-throwing violation, it is as simple as that.
not really. the basis of making it a form of "gamethrowing" would be to assume under all circumstances that undertaking these actions are done with the intent to hurt your team, as no one with intent to help the team would ever undertake such actions
deleteddeletedalmost 12 years ago
in 2.0 meta that might be true but the current playerbase is very black and white and would look at it differently

it seems like more of a headache than what it's worth

i dont think a blanket ban is the right solution and i'll just continue to handle it as a case-by-case scenario
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Simsalmost 12 years ago
Steven
Think about this: should saying "my partner y sucks" when y is a town be a violation?
i'd say no just because it's not as severe as outing your partner as wifom, but it definitely isn't a cool thing to do
deleteddeletedalmost 12 years agoedited
Well it can't be game-throwing. That would mean changing the entire basis of the rule. If you don't intend to throw a game you can't get a game-throwing violation, it is as simple as that.
Stevenalmost 12 years ago
Because town is well aware that WIFOMing exists. Town and mafia enter a mind game of whether he wifom'd and said his partner or wifom'd and didn't.

Town isn't debating "OMG did they GT". No, they start debating whether he outted his partner or not, knowing that he wanted to trick them
Enamoredalmost 12 years ago
there is a very good reason to blanket ban scumclaiming and partner "outing" - both true and false.
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deleteddeletedalmost 12 years ago
i guarantee you that if i were to play a forum game right now and out my partners as i was being lynched regardless of context that i'd be instantly modkilled

i really don't advocate it
Enamoredalmost 12 years ago
giving town a hint would be gamethrowing. so why isn't giving them a "hint" gamethrowing?
deleteddeletedalmost 12 years ago
well yes that's true but dont you think that it's slightly OGI to bring influence of a plausible GT
Enamoredalmost 12 years ago
Steven
Once you're dying, giving people a "hint" is not pretending to gamethrow at all,
how is it not. how is it anything but pretending to gamethrow... pretending to help town...?????