Stop Orcing the Watcher!

Onuzqalmost 12 years ago

For all of those who play VDLI, how many times did you orc the fellow pr? The answer should be 0. That should be the same in WwtW! The reason why you shouldn't orc the watcher is that town will hopefully do a reasonable cc with the watcher/watched, and the person that you orc'd will be naked to have the hammer. This is also giving a guarantee for a clear in f3 if the watcher is real as the naked blue will be left. I'm getting tired of stupid orcs who orc the other pr and let maf an extra advantage when they don't need to.

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deleteddeletedalmost 12 years ago
Thomas
Eatos
You should ALWAYS orc watcher if there is only ONE mafia left. It's guaranteed auto win because either janitor is revealed with watcher janned, or the real watcher is revealed and saw the only maf visit the orc. With TWO mafia left, orc anyone but the watcher. If watcher is still alive by the final day even with orc gone, town should be able to put up a good decision on whether it's maf watcher or if maf left watcher alive for wifom.
If there's one mafia left then the watcher claim guiltying someone is autowin anyway?
Imagine if watcher doesn't fake guilty.
Prophylaxisalmost 12 years ago
Legendary
Thomas
Eatos
You should ALWAYS orc watcher if there is only ONE mafia left. It's guaranteed auto win because either janitor is revealed with watcher janned, or the real watcher is revealed and saw the only maf visit the orc. With TWO mafia left, orc anyone but the watcher. If watcher is still alive by the final day even with orc gone, town should be able to put up a good decision on whether it's maf watcher or if maf left watcher alive for wifom.
If there's one mafia left then the watcher claim guiltying someone is autowin anyway?
Watcher could be janned obviously.
There's a ML so if watcher's janned and scum's fake guilty is lynched, the scum that fake claimed watcher gets lynched the next day. Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the former.
Edarkalmost 12 years ago
How about you orc your fos? That tends to work
Prophylaxisalmost 12 years ago
I dislike the whole "PR claims PR" method of the setup. If watcher's janned it's a 1/5 chance to lynch scum D1 while giving scum influence on the lynch.
deleteddeletedalmost 12 years ago
Legendary
Thomas
Eatos
You should ALWAYS orc watcher if there is only ONE mafia left. It's guaranteed auto win because either janitor is revealed with watcher janned, or the real watcher is revealed and saw the only maf visit the orc. With TWO mafia left, orc anyone but the watcher. If watcher is still alive by the final day even with orc gone, town should be able to put up a good decision on whether it's maf watcher or if maf left watcher alive for wifom.
If there's one mafia left then the watcher claim guiltying someone is autowin anyway?
Watcher could be janned obviously.
then you friggin lynch him the next day dimwit.
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deleteddeletedalmost 12 years ago
Thomas
Eatos
You should ALWAYS orc watcher if there is only ONE mafia left. It's guaranteed auto win because either janitor is revealed with watcher janned, or the real watcher is revealed and saw the only maf visit the orc. With TWO mafia left, orc anyone but the watcher. If watcher is still alive by the final day even with orc gone, town should be able to put up a good decision on whether it's maf watcher or if maf left watcher alive for wifom.
If there's one mafia left then the watcher claim guiltying someone is autowin anyway?
Watcher could be janned obviously.
ratalmost 12 years ago
Sims
alternatively, mafia hits orc n2 and the orc orcs the mafia that isnt in the watcher report for autowin
if mafia hits orc n2, both prs aren't alive d2.
Thomasalmost 12 years ago
Eatos
You should ALWAYS orc watcher if there is only ONE mafia left. It's guaranteed auto win because either janitor is revealed with watcher janned, or the real watcher is revealed and saw the only maf visit the orc. With TWO mafia left, orc anyone but the watcher. If watcher is still alive by the final day even with orc gone, town should be able to put up a good decision on whether it's maf watcher or if maf left watcher alive for wifom.
If there's one mafia left then the watcher claim guiltying someone is autowin anyway?
Eatosalmost 12 years ago
You should ALWAYS orc watcher if there is only ONE mafia left. It's guaranteed auto win because either janitor is revealed with watcher janned, or the real watcher is revealed and saw the only maf visit the orc. With TWO mafia left, orc anyone but the watcher. If watcher is still alive by the final day even with orc gone, town should be able to put up a good decision on whether it's maf watcher or if maf left watcher alive for wifom.
deleteddeletedalmost 12 years ago
orc yourself
Giga13almost 12 years ago
eris
Giga13
Orc who you think is mafia imo
Entry-level tactic, the obvious tactic is to throw so hard it becomes a non-throw.
It's ridiculous how many times this gets past mods too
Simsalmost 12 years ago
alternatively, mafia hits orc n2 and the orc orcs the mafia that isnt in the watcher report for autowin
gerksterralmost 12 years ago
Sims
yeah, because if he's real and you didnt lynch the mafia day 1, you're in a great position
if both prs are alive d2 and you can still orc, you have lynched exactly 1 mafia (should have said n3, but ns are confusing because of dawnstarts). watcher has no reason not to be on you. if mafia is in blues watcher will have maf and will also be clear. if watcher is mafia he'll be naked maf.

if you orc blue, fake watcher can push on fake guilty, fake blue can push on janned watcher.
TheShanealmost 12 years agoedited
As oracle, oracle no one and get janned n1 for the ultimate way to win.
deleteddeletedalmost 12 years ago
Giga13
Orc who you think is mafia imo
Entry-level tactic, the obvious tactic is to throw so hard it becomes a non-throw.
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Giga13almost 12 years ago
Orc who you think is mafia imo
animegayboy69almost 12 years ago
oracle yourself n1 in case you get janned, that way there is no risk of accidentally revealing teh watcher
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deleteddeletedalmost 12 years ago
Oracling no one is gamethrowing; that's why I always orc myself to double check I'm not miller.
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deleteddeletedalmost 12 years ago
RodBrouhard2jpg
iracle no one andd wait for reaction
animegayboy69almost 12 years ago
glad we have the pros weighing in on this
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RodBrouhard2jpgalmost 12 years ago
iracle no one andd wait for reaction
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deleteddeletedalmost 12 years ago
no-orc, imo.
Petaalmost 12 years ago
A good tactic as oracle in WWTW is to oracle the person you think is mafia
animegayboy69almost 12 years ago
Connor
optimal play as oracle is to oracle the person you want removed from the game by the next day
they...won't necessarily be removed from the game in wwtw, though. entirely possible they end up cleared and having hammer on lylo, and there are some people you absolutely do not want to hand that task to
DarkSkullalmost 12 years ago
apeescaper
i've lost at least 3 games this round because watcher was janned and everyone followed the mafia.
thats because some people think its a good idea to role swap d2. i've seen it plenty of times where orc claims watcher and gives hammer to the jan.
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