It's too subjective & not enough context to really answer that, and I'm pretty much speaking from opinion more than for the mod team, but it depends on the intent. :-)
well if there isn't any game related content in those 30 seconds that the shooter can use to scumread pranay or townread everyone else other than pranay, then its probably gamethrow
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Not a funny post.
deleteddeletedalmost 12 years ago
technically it's gamethrow to shoot randomly without claims, unless you can justify that there was no intent to throw
It's too subjective to really give a definition and an example, but I think everything that isn't automatically shooting someone as soon as the day starts just because you like them should be legal as long as you don't intend to throw.
I agree that hipfiring shouldn't be an automatic gamethrowing violation, but that's bronto's and dez's domain. Lucid seemed to disagree with the rule too, so I'm sure we're going to be moving away from that ruling. Feel free to discuss it and everything, but I don't think hipfiring is going to be an automatic gamethrowing violation anymore.
The most played gun setup was A/D, where hipfiring doesn't even exist because of D1, yet plenty of people have received GT violations for "hip firing" there.
The problem is that some mods don't even know what hipfiring even is. I remember seeing reports like "please don't shoot before asking for claims" when that is not hipfiring at all. If the person has said even one word, or if everyone else more or less has talked enough for a PoE, that is not a hipfire. You might think that's insufficient for a read but that's subjective and anyone can decide when they have enough information for a read.
You also might want to hip fire for some of the following situations; other guns, stalker or similar roles that can communicate before dying something important, when you see a stutter or bubble slip, and the list goes on. Or even something like you don't want mafia to talk you out or you're feeling lucky.
Sure, you can think these are really rare and that might be true. It doesn't matter, that's not my point.
Hipfiring is not gamethrowing. Hipfiring with the intent to throw the game is gamethrowing. Saying something like "hipfiring is gamethrowing no matter the intent" is implying that people are firing without ill intent. Saying "most of the time when people hip fire, or virtually all of the time they do they are game throwing" is a fair argument, but it does not entitle hipfiring to have it's own rule. After all if someone has the intent to throw then why do you need to refer to a rule about hip firing when they are just simply throwing?
