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Stevenalmost 12 years ago

There is no such thing as "X action is GT"

GT is GT.

If a player intended to throw the game, they were game throwing. If the player did not intend to throw the game, they were not throwing.

YeezusWestalmost 12 years ago
thebrontosaurus
Jill
but realtalk, Shacky, let's address illusionist shooting d1 on hollywood illusions. automatic vio or no?
Hollywood Illusions is just a bad setup.
Jillalmost 12 years ago
catbae
voting me is GT
the Pranay Violation
catbaealmost 12 years ago
voting me is GT
deleteddeletedalmost 12 years ago
hipfire is best fire
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thebrontosaurusalmost 12 years ago
I guess, it's risky though since you're basically committing kamikaze on the bleeder and leaving your partner to fly solo through a ML.

Btw, just to make this clear - gold heart games will always be moderated more strictly than reds given the nature and skill level of those who typically play in them.
deleteddeletedalmost 12 years ago
Goodbae
Jill
but realtalk, Shacky, let's address illusionist shooting d1 on hollywood illusions. automatic vio or no?
well if they shoot bleeder after everyone votes its considered a somewhat viable strategy right?
ur strat SUX
Goodbaealmost 12 years ago
well it depends on if you think the bleeder is good enough to carry the game for town, you'd want them out instantly
thebrontosaurusalmost 12 years ago
You basically out yourself if you do that, it's pretty stupid imo. It's definitely trolling at bare minimum.
Goodbaealmost 12 years ago
thebrontosaurus
Jill
but realtalk, Shacky, let's address illusionist shooting d1 on hollywood illusions. automatic vio or no?
Hollywood Illusions is just a bad setup.
i learn from my mistakes will u let this GO
Goodbaealmost 12 years agoedited
Jill
but realtalk, Shacky, let's address illusionist shooting d1 on hollywood illusions. automatic vio or no?
well if they shoot bleeder after everyone votes its considered a somewhat viable strategy right?
thebrontosaurusalmost 12 years ago
Jill
but realtalk, Shacky, let's address illusionist shooting d1 on hollywood illusions. automatic vio or no?
Hollywood Illusions is just a bad setup.
Jupiteralmost 12 years ago
Jill
but realtalk, Shacky, let's address illusionist shooting d1 on hollywood illusions. automatic vio or no?
I haven't played that setup enough to actually have an opinion but I'd assume it would be the same as everything else
Jupiteralmost 12 years ago
Sammie
i mean if there is some text before the hipfire, its not really hipfire, is it?
Everybody's definition of it is different, but the rule change is pretty much so we can read more into the intent of the shot instead of just automatically nailing them with a GT vio because of the timing.
Goodbaealmost 12 years ago
that depends on the user, whether they're new or not

like he said, in most cases it's going to be considered trolling since literally nothing related to the game is said at that point.
Jillalmost 12 years ago
but realtalk, Shacky, let's address illusionist shooting d1 on hollywood illusions. automatic vio or no?
thebrontosaurusalmost 12 years ago
Jill
yeah caroline tbh i think it can fall under both bc its entirely too subjective. with lucid's stance on it tho maybe trolling should be the violation given to discourage users from hipfiring?? since they wanna be more lenient and gamethrowing is the harsher vio
Yeah it's tougher to say whether they threw by hipfiring - there are a lot of cases that come up where someone shoots early in the day based off nothing and then plays to their win condition fully throughout the day. Trolling is more appropriate since it's really just disruptive and bad. You can still play to your win condition if you hipfire, it's just stupid to do so.
deleteddeletedalmost 12 years ago
Sammie
Jupiter
Hipfiring definitely isn't going to be an automatic GT violation anymore, oficially starting now. It's going to be a lot more subjective, and like anything else whether they intentionally trolled or gamethrew is going to be at the forefront. In most cases it will probably be considered trolling, but I'm sure it could fall under gamethrowing or bad play depending on the circumstances.
how can that be?

if someone fires the minute they see the gun, lets say 0 seconds, and no text has been said, its the same every single time. how can you judge intent based on that and differentiate between legitimate and not legitimate gameplay?

not that hipfiring is every really legitimate.
see how the rest of the game is played out to see what the intent was, but i would think it is more trolling than actual gamethrow
Sammiealmost 12 years ago
i mean if there is some text before the hipfire, its not really hipfire, is it?
Sammiealmost 12 years ago
Jupiter
Hipfiring definitely isn't going to be an automatic GT violation anymore, oficially starting now. It's going to be a lot more subjective, and like anything else whether they intentionally trolled or gamethrew is going to be at the forefront. In most cases it will probably be considered trolling, but I'm sure it could fall under gamethrowing or bad play depending on the circumstances.
how can that be?

if someone fires the minute they see the gun, lets say 0 seconds, and no text has been said, its the same every single time. how can you judge intent based on that and differentiate between legitimate and not legitimate gameplay?

not that hipfiring is every really legitimate.
Jillalmost 12 years ago
yeah caroline tbh i think it can fall under both bc its entirely too subjective. with lucid's stance on it tho maybe trolling should be the violation given to discourage users from hipfiring?? since they wanna be more lenient and gamethrowing is the harsher vio
Jupiteralmost 12 years agoedited
Hipfiring definitely isn't going to be an automatic GT violation anymore, oficially starting now. It's going to be a lot more subjective, and like anything else whether they intentionally trolled or gamethrew is going to be at the forefront. In most cases it will probably be considered trolling, but I'm sure it could fall under gamethrowing or bad play depending on the circumstances.
deleteddeletedalmost 12 years ago
wasnt there a debate about whether to call hipfiring trolling over gt?
deleteddeletedalmost 12 years agoedited
Unban me

YOCO - You only cheat once
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Jillalmost 12 years ago
i wasn't trying to be funny? gamethrowing is too severe bc technically actress can carry if they hit a pr but idk. i think it should be a violation
Stevenalmost 12 years ago
Why do you need to have an extra rule for hipfiring? GT is GT, give people violations when they GT whether it be via hip firing or not. Making an extra rule only allows mods to make excuses so that they're not appealed by looking at things "objectively" instead of case by case.

When the rule was made hipfiring meant shooting before anyone said anything and it just kept growing and growing by precedent. I remember I used to talk with some of the mods to tell them to sto the others pbut I grew tired of people just taking the easy way out instead so I kinda forgot about it for a while. Lucid talked so I'm restating my points now that people are actually going to listen