Hey guys, Carmen here! We had a great discussion about the morality of telling those with mental conditions to kill themselves tonight, and when the supporters of this disgusting idea realized they had no ground to stand on, they quickly tried to invoke the policies of Google Adsense to get the conversation shut down.
It didn't stop with shayne and other notorious protectors of imaginary new players seeing the lobby wall, either. Ally, a representative of the mod team, threatened to hand out vios to anyone who dared talk about this topic, which isn't against EM rules or Google Adense policy. To prove that she completely talked out of her to end an "unpleasant" discussion (which in reality was completely pleasant and the only ones who made it heated were the ones calling for the deaths of those born with the pedophilia condition), I'm posting the complete policies of Google Adsense, and what they define as prohibited content:
Adult content
Google ads may not be placed on pages that contain , adult, or mature content. Please note that we also don't allow AdSense for search (AFS) search boxes to be placed on adult content pages.
Adult themes in family content
Google ads may not be placed on sites or properties that appear to be appropriate for a general audience but contain adult themes, including sex, violence, vulgarity, or other distasteful depictions of children or popular children's characters, that are unsuitable for a general audience.
Dangerous or derogatory content
We believe strongly in freedom of expression, but we don't permit monetization of dangerous or derogatory content. For this reason, Google ads may not be placed on pages containing content that:
Threatens or advocates for harm on oneself or others; Harasses, intimidates or bullies an individual or group of individuals; Incites hatred against, promotes discrimination of, or disparages an
individual or group on the basis of their race or ethnic origin,
religion, disability, age, nationality, veteran status, sexual
orientation, gender, gender identity, or other characteristic that is
associated with systemic discrimination or marginalization.
Recreational drugs and drug-related content
We want to help keep people safe both online and offline, so we don't
allow the promotion of some products or services that cause damage,
harm, or injury. For this reason, Google ads may not be placed on
pages that sell or promote recreational drugs and drug-related content
including:
Promotion of substances that alter mental state for the purpose of
recreation or otherwise induce "highs". Examples: Cocaine, crystal
meth, heroin, marijuana, cocaine substitutes, mephedrone, "legal
highs" Products or services marketed as facilitating recreational drug
use. Examples: Pipes, bongs, cannabis coffee shops Instructional content about producing, purchasing, or using recreational drugs.
Examples: Forums to exchange tips or recommendations on drug use
Please be aware that the promotion of prohibited content includes
providing links to contents that does not follow our recreational
drugs and drug-related content policies.
Alcohol-related content
Google ads may not be placed on pages that contain certain
alcohol-related content including:
Online sale of alcoholic beverages. Promotion of irresponsible alcohol
consumption, including the favorable portrayal of excessive, binge, or
competition drinking. Additionally, publishers now have the
opportunity to opt in to receiving alcohol ads through the category
filtering feature. If you don't wish to receive alcohol ads on your
pages, no action is required on your part.
Tobacco-related content
Google ads may not be placed on pages that promote tobacco and
tobacco-related products, including cigarettes, cigars, tobacco pipes,
and rolling papers. Please be aware that the promotion of prohibited
content includes providing links to pages that do not follow our
tobacco-related content policies.
Gambling and games-related content
Google ads may not be placed on
pages with content that promotes online, real-money gambling or any
internet-based game where money or other items of value are paid or
wagered in exchange for the opportunity to win real money or prizes
based on the outcome of the game.
Healthcare-related content
To comply with local laws and regulations related to the promotion of
healthcare and medicines, Google ads may not be placed on pages that
contain certain healthcare-related content including:
Online sale of prescription medication. Examples: Sales of
prescription drugs, even if through an affiliate program Online
pharmacies Pages that primarily drive traffic to online
drugstores/pharmacies Sale of unapproved pharmaceuticals and
supplements. Examples: All items on this non-exhaustive list of
prohibited pharmaceuticals and supplements (e.g., products that
contain Ephedra) Herbal and dietary supplements with active
pharmaceutical or dangerous ingredients Products with names that are
confusingly similar to an unapproved pharmaceutical or supplement or
controlled substance
Hacking and cracking content
Google ads may not be placed on pages that promote any form of hacking
or cracking. Hacking and cracking content is content that provides
users with instructions or equipment that tampers with or provides
unauthorized access to software, servers, or websites.
Pages that offer compensation programs
Google ads may not be placed on pages that promise payment or
incentives to users who click on ads, surf the web, read emails, or
perform other similar tasks. Placing Google ads on such pages may
result in invalid impressions or clicks and is therefore prohibited.
Similarly, Google ads may not be placed on pages that primarily drive
traffic to, promote, or provide instructional materials on how to
implement such services.
Misrepresentative content
Users don’t want to be misled by the content they engage with online.
For this reason, Google ads may not be placed on pages that
misrepresent, misstate, or conceal information about you, your content
or the primary purpose of your web property.
Shocking content
We want to be sensitive to our advertisers and users. For this reason
Google ads may not be placed on pages that display shocking content.
Examples include but are not limited to:
Content containing gruesome, graphic or disgusting accounts or imagery
(e.g., blood, guts, gore, sexual fluids, human or animal waste, crime
scene or accident photos) Content depicting acts of violence (e.g.,
accounts or images of shootings, explosions, or bombings; execution
videos; violent acts committed against animals) Content with
significant obscene or profane language (swear or curse words)
Weapon-related content
We want to help keep people safe both online and offline, so we don't
allow the promotion of weapons-related content that may lead to
damage, harm, or injury. For this reason, Google ads may not be placed
on pages that contain the following weapons-related content:
Pages that promote the sale of firearms. This includes but is not
limited to handguns, rifles, shotguns, hunting guns, functioning
antique guns, airsoft guns, paintball guns, bb guns, and 3D printed
guns; Pages that promote the sale of a firearm-related part or
component that is essential to, or enhances the functionality of a
firearm. This includes but is not limited to 80% finished gun-parts,
ammunition, ammunition clips, silencers, ammunition belts, stocks,
conversion kits, gun-grips, scopes and sights; Pages that provide
instructions about the assembly, enhancement or acquisition of any
firearms including parts or components thereof. This includes, but is
not limited to firearm-making instructions, guides, software or
equipment for 3D printing of guns or gun parts; Pages that promote the
sale of products that are designed to explode or could cause damage to
nearby people or property. This includes but is not limited to
explosives, nail bombs, chemical bombs, any fireworks that explode,
firecrackers, and grenades; Pages that contain instructional content
about the assembly, enhancement or acquisition of explosive items;
Pages that promote the sale of other weapons that are designed to (in
modern-day usage) injure an opponent in sport, self-defense, or
combat. This includes but is not limited to the sale of throwing
stars, brass knuckles, pepper spray; Pages that promote the sale of
knives designed to provide a confrontational advantage. This includes
disguised appearance or assisted-opening mechanisms such as
switchblades, fighting knives, sword-canes, balisongs, military
knives, push daggers, throwing axes; Pages that promote the use of
weapons to inflict harm on others.
Content that enables dishonest behavior
We value honesty and fairness, so Google ads may not be placed on
pages with content that helps users to mislead others. Examples:
Content that promotes creating fake or false documents such as
passports, diplomas, or accreditation; Content that promotes creation
of fake or false identities; Sale or distribution of term papers,
paper-writing or exam-taking services; Information or products for
passing drug tests; Content that promotes fraudulent activity Please
note that these are examples and not intended to be complete or
comprehensive.
Illegal content
Google ads may not be placed on any page that contains content that is
illegal, promotes illegal activity, or infringes on the legal rights
of others.
Counterfeit goods
AdSense publishers may not display Google ads on webpages that offer
for sale or promote the sale of counterfeit goods. Counterfeit goods
contain a trademark or logo that is identical to or substantially
indistinguishable from the trademark of another. They mimic the brand
features of the product in an attempt to pass themselves off as a
genuine product of the brand owner.
Underage, non-consensual, or illegal sex acts
Google AdSense absolutely prohibits monetization of content related to
child sexual abuse imagery or pedophilia. Google has always been at
the forefront in the fight against online child abuse, and an avid
supporter of family safety online.
Under United States federal law, child sexual abuse imagery is defined
as visual depictions of minors (i.e., under 18) engaged in a sexual
act such as intercourse, oral sex, or masturbation as well as the
lascivious depictions of the genitals (covered or uncovered). This
definition extends to photographs, videos, cartoons, drawings,
paintings, and sculptures. The image can involve a real child; a
computer-generated, morphed, composite or otherwise altered image that
appears to be a child (think “Photoshop”). This also includes
soliciting minors for sexual acts, which is also known as
"enticement."
Pedophilia is any content or behavior (images, texts, videos, etc.)
that depicts, encourages, or promotes sexual attraction by adults
toward minors (i.e., under 18).
And there you have it. Not one bit of the discussion violated a single rule here. I expect people to bring up the pedophilia subsection of the last policy, but Google only (rightfully) forbids images/videos of pedophiliac acts and text of people "encouraging or promoting" sexual attraction by adults toward minors. NO ONE on this site has ever encouraged the pedophilia disease or tried to normalize child predation, and the entire debate tonight has been about ENDING pedophilia through therapy and medication, as opposed to "a bullet to the head".
If you think I'm wrong, and any discussions of pedophilia, even ones that don't promote it, are against Adsense policy, take a look at three random sites I found with a 10 second search that clearly discuss this issue and are considered completely acceptable under Adsense:
I can see the reasoning behind not wanting to see these "big issues" on the lobby wall, but if that's the case, make a new EM rule forbidding it. Don't lie and say our ad provider forbids it, because, as proven by this post, they don't.
I'd love a response from Ally here either bringing up an Adsense policy that I missed, or apologizing for trying to use her position to censor viewpoints that she doesn't agree with.
The problem with the whole thing is that the argument's coming from all over the place. People are attacking her on several fronts and she's getting her lines crossed, definitely unintentionally.
Wait, issue with banning Carmen. #Carmendidnothingwrong
Hell I started one of these threads and I agree with most of what she said. Not exactly a complicated line of reasoning, but semantics are keeping everyone else from agreeing with her.
pls someone tl;dr OP I can't take another word of carmen's drivel
heres the tl;dr of this whole fiasco >someone (not carmen) made a thread about what people think about pedophiles and how they should be treated >many voted that they should be killed >carmen was arguing that they shouldnt be killed and that pedophilia (the term) itself isn't a crime and that those with it are mentally ill and could be healed through rehabilitation >bunch of SJW weirdos take it as if carmen is defending pedophiles, which she wasn't, and leads a websitewide riot against her >thats why you're seeing people making petitions to ban carmen >thats why carmen wrote this huge post >carmen never defended pedos, and im pretty sure almost everyone here can agree that they're pieces of ****
but here's the kicker >one mod is going after carmen hard saying that google ad sense does not promote discussing this nor does the website >there are no rules about talking about this topic >carmen didnt even start the topic >the mod mentioned that google ad sense does not promote cursing either >cursing is rampant on this website >now you see the whole hypocrisy >we probably need better mods and not SJWs
Yeah anyone claiming racism is "the worst it's ever been" is probably: 1 - very sweaty since they haven't showered or gone outside in quite some time to realize things have gotten inherently better for POC. 2 - a social justice warrior weirdo that makes dumb blanket statements like this to make themselves feel better 3 - not in touch with reality
if you think sexism is more severe than racism, how do you feel about sexism dealt towards poc BECAUSE theyre poc
That sounds like racism, and is of course reprehensible. And like I said, racism DEFINITELY still exists, I'm just saying it's not as big of a crisis currently as sexism.
There's a lot of people who still remember all of the extremely fucked up things POC had to endure in this past century alone, and that reminder fuels tolerance for race and disdain toward those who would continue to do the fucked up things.
Meanwhile, how do we remember the struggles and bigotry women have had to face in the past century?
It was this player's personal choice to do this, and while the comments clearly support him (no one calling him out like they would if he made a racist video), that's not even my core problem. Think about the fact that the developers of this game programmed this character into the city, knowing they were giving her an "annoying" tone, and knowing the expected reaction from the teenagers who play their game. And the players LOVED being able to pursue their male fantasy and "own that feminist btch"
Do you think the result would've been anywhere close to the same if Rockstar put in an abolitionist or black rights character? Absolutely not. This is just one example, but it illustrates the disparity perfectly.
But yes I'm white and thus aren't the subject of racist remarks, subtle or heavy-handed. I'm sorry if I'm wrong here, as I very well could be, and I don't hold this particular belief nearly as strongly as I hold others.
It's only in the most secluded backwoods towns where racism is still acceptable, because those people are displaced 100 years in time.
racism is as worse as it has ever been and im not surprised u cant see that as a white person
I haven't seen racism to the level I've seen sexism, anywhere in my life, except for 4chan and when I lived in Bryson City NC.
I know I'm a white person, but that doesn't exempt me from being able to see racism. I've been lucky to live in Asheville most of my life, a pretty liberal town, but like I said, ANYWHERE you see someone being actively racist you see tons more people shutting them down.
Even people I thought were progressive and smart have made tons of sexist quips, and feminists on the Internet are seen as a joke. I think people are much quicker to say something sexist than something racist, and that's because sexism is seen as an acceptable bigotry.
Look at that "a lock thats opened by many keys is a bad lock, a key that opens tons of locks is a great key" idiom for proof that sexism is more alive than ever. Can't count the number of times I've had to deal with that logic from sl*t shamers and their enablers.
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It's only in the most secluded backwoods towns where racism is still acceptable, because those people are displaced 100 years in time.
racism is as worse as it has ever been and im not surprised u cant see that as a white person
LOL pedos don't have to be "justified" they never did anything wrong in the first place.
mrs fritz im boutta head out
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i didn't - that was like my 3rd comment on the subject, but those were last night so i get if there was confusion / missed comments, sorry for the misunderstanding !
why wont it let me post im SICK OF RETYPING THIS!!
the reasoning wasnt adsense, i was just weighing in on the debate, we've always stopped toxic conversations on the lobby wall including drama etc. and arguments about pedophilia falls under that, mods have the right to determine something is inappropriate and put a stop to it, the lobby wall is one of the first things new users see and doesn't need that kind of content on it
Then I wish you wouldn't have said the reason was adsense in your first comment on the wall, would've saved a lot of time.
Still, this thread goes out to people like shayne who still maintain Google has a thing to do with this.
who cares stop justifying pedos and how u dnt care about racism and just drop the topic lol
LOL pedos don't have to be "justified" they never did anything wrong in the first place. They developed/were born with a disease, and that's where this debate starts and ends. I'm not talking about child predators whatsoever.
And I never said I don't care about racism. Historically, racism is one of the biggest blights on humanity, just like sexism. However, in most first world countries in the modern age, actual racists get their teeth kicked in. It's only in the most secluded backwoods towns where racism is still acceptable, because those people are displaced 100 years in time.
However, sexism and misogyny is RAMPANT in today's society, and I've had conversations in Asheville, one of the most liberal towns in America, where idiots have said incredibly sexist things without even knowing it was bad. Sl*t shaming, for example, isn't just acceptable, it isn't just the norm - it's EXPECTED. Men who defend women's liberation are "white knights" and women who do are "bull d*kes" or "crazy bches". This is all in 2018.
If a resurgence of racism were ever to happen I'd be on the front lines against that bigotry as I always am. But right now the issue we need to have at the forefronts of our minds is misogyny, because it's EVERYWHERE and embedded in our social, corporate, and political systems.