He also said that like certain setups weren't blacklisted before the EMJack issue came to light, but you know, you weren't inactive for portions of this site's history.
You could have opened with that, but your status as an ousted mod forced you to insult a user instead of relaying pertinent information about the topic at hand.
Well, mods reserve the right to change rules. I don't mind if somebody finds out a guised person because they don't speak as they're supposed to do. Guiser has to act as the guised person, that's ok. But if somebody asks a question that only a few people know... mods used to give a vio for somebody coding in a way that only minority knows (for example: using personal language; another example: Diffie–Hellman key exchange - using number results to roleshare between each other), guise testing is basically the same thing. Asking for personal information is even against ethics.
But how to convince mods to adjust a rule if most of them are indifferent and Magician is strongly for NO?
You think you have to know the guised person to pass guise tests?
You can have a friend of theirs who says in Discord that they're guised, he will ask you a random question and even if you say it right, he will say you're wrong and no one has it to prove. Then the rest of town will follow his lead on you although they don't know the answer either.
guiser was banned because anyone with the EMJack plugin could reveal who was guised during the day. it was literally unusable, and you know this because you're on this site at least once a month and this has been endlessly retold to the community when they complain about no guiser in comp
This coming from a guy that banned people for cheating based purely on speculation. Shame a vocal minority of crybabies were able to get guiser banned based purely on not being competent enough to pull it off.
Mouths is an intellectual individual who's voice MUST be heard. Hooker takes out all of the life from this setup and it's sad to see. I understand the concerns of people regarding meta abuse/OGI but I hope mods would reconsider letting DDP happen.
ddp is fun, hooker makes the setup boring. Just put it in anon colors if people are so scared of meta abuse, and report people who try to use real identities for guise tests
Yeah, I had a misunderstanding of where guise testing landed.
Considering it's not an illegal strat, I can see why some people would be against wanting to play play comped guiser setups then. It kind of takes away from the normative scumhunting ideas and thrusts you into a "How much do you know about others" setup.
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guise testing isn't OGI and you can tell where the new generation of player starts based on that stance
You can't scaretactic people into playing differently when they technically aren't breaking the rules by using this method of "scumhunting". We can't tell people how to play unless it involves not breaking the rules.
You're not allowed putting guisetests on your profile anymore but that still doesn't really do much to mitigate the issue that is guisetesting someone you know anyway; it's still silly to allow people to be able to test but only in certain ways. Flawed role.
The best method to avoid meta abuse in guiser setups is to explicitally state at the start of the round that continous guise testing throughout the round is a call for possible OGI and or DQ. It's one thing to catch a guised person make a meta slip, it's another thing to ONLY do that throughout the round
I totally agree with you about why the role is problematic. I don't care enough to campaign for or against it, but my opinion is, people can have fun in red hearts, I don't really see the need to comp it since it raises so many potential concerns.
People sometimes do this as a wifom tactic in anon anyway
Guiser is literally entirely based on OGI (unless you test on in-game material only)
I also think the role itself takes away from scumhunting since all people do all day every day is guisetest and it wastes time and makes games bad but other than that the role itself is fine. It just rewards meta and how well you know a player though really. Then again, no one ever said that you had to guise out either. Idk. It was allowed before and it really isn't a huge deal in my opinion, kinda adds some fun to games so I don't really care one way or another. Banning guiser from comp would prevent some older classic setups from being played in comp again though
Yeah guiser setups are super sketchy in comp. I like guiser setups but I feel like they lead to a ton of meta abuse like checking if someone is who they are by asking meta/OGI questions.
I think it's too risky to allow in comp unless mods choose to harshly enforce no meta which is gonna be super complicated? How do you prevent people from knowing how others speak/act. It now gives advantage to popular players and/or players who know how other players act.. Just my two cents.
