This has probably been asked/disgussed already, but shouldn't this be considered outside game information when asked "What's my main" or "What role were you last game"?
Why even have guiser in a setup when it can always be discredited by something that happened in an entirely different game?
"Don't guise as that person" is a really reasoning, let's be honest. If someone is considered "clear" and I want to guise as them to steal their "clear" status, I should be able to do so regardless of knowing their personal information or not. Saying "don't guise as them" takes away from the in-game strategy. Your reasoning is . I shouldn't have to known personal details about someone in order to guise into them.
This. People are trying to use OGI as a shield to protect them as guiser. If the act of guise testing is OGI, you shouldn't carry out a role that requires OGI to succeed at it.
You don't guise as them... This is a social game in which you should be making and competing against the users as friends or enemies. Trying to dumb down the game to mechanics and votes is why there's a low retention rate in comp skills.
Make a friend and play 5 games with them, you wont need to make these sorry excuses for why we need a rule that hurts to game to protect you from being social.
deleteddeletedabout 9 years ago
I don't get what the problem is... I played as guiser before in comp and actually got away w/ it. For the most part, anytime I've seen guiser in a game besides guiser perfected no one really tries to guise test. If anything you have higher odds of being ml'd for being scummy than failing a guise test.
deleteddeletedabout 9 years ago
guise testing isn't OGI, i thought we agreed upon this a while ago
In unranked "Guiser perfected" setup hosts tell participants "No meta!" and the game becomes more fun. Unlikely in ranked ones, where players do all what possible to win the game and mafia win-rate is on 9%.
If it's in ranked play, you should care. I agree, it is a very fun role and is probably my favorite in the entire game, but using outside information defeats the purpose of a fair game.
You speak about upholding competitive integrity but how is it fair for two friends to enter a game and be able to constantly clear each other from guise meanwhile someone who plays casually and doesn't know anyone outside of games (like myself) finds it impossible to do so? It gives unfair advantages due to outside game information (OGI).
Searching profiles for a guiser isn't abuse. The only reason it's viewed so is because the rules the mods followed aren't meant to uphold competitive integrity.
If you'd came to the site before mods, you realize how stupid this notion is.
Whatever you think OGI is, it's not this. OGI is abusing information from outside of a game in a game. What you mentioned is just what the OGI rule might include. If you're threatening you won't gun the clear when the clear doesn't lynch your fos, this is not OGI.
We have seen successful guises and failed guises. So there is no need to ban this role. It works perfectly. It is meant to be easy to find the guiser by asking questions. It is not ogi. That thing is not outside game influence. That is general knowledge you have with players. If you know someone you just know them. You can't say that everybody should play in a game like a new born baby who knows nothing about others. By that logic using my typing skills is also ogi. Ogi is different. It is against the ruke when you use illegal stuff to influence game. Like talking with in game player outside the game. Or telling that someone joined other game and so they are guised.
