Chicago Trump Rally

MeetTerryover 10 years ago

TAKE THEIR COATS

OUT OUT OUT

How [redacted] dare these Bernie fanboys show up to a peaceful Trump rally event only to cause disruptions and harass and attack Trump supporters?

Truly disgusting behavior. Sad!

The hypocrisy when liberals shun classic liberal values by trying to silence others' opinions! The true fascists are on the left, like these gross Bernie fanboys.

Poll
Trump 2016?
Trump56%9
Trump43%7
Golbolcoover 10 years ago
One last thing: anecdotal proof is not proof.
Golbolcoover 10 years ago
Hey Majiffy, since you're a straight white male, let me describe the oppression from the viewpoint of a straight vaguely-brown woman.

I live in America, in fact I live in an area historically considered "southern," and I also live in a bit of a rural area. However, not once have I ever had the law treat me differently by virtue of being a woman. People have definitely treated me differently, but I have no reason to believe that they did it because they were acting in accordance of the law.

I'm of Azeri and Sicilian descent and look very mediterranean. I would probably blend in anywhere between Lisbon and Karachi if I tried hard enough. Here, because I live in a rural area, other people have similar skin tones to mine. However, I bet that most of the people around me are probably of English or German descent. Most of the time, when I am discriminated against by other people, they assume I'm hispanic because of my former last name. Going with hispanic, I have been called an illegal before. When I go into the cities, I will occasionally hear anti-muslim slurs thrown behind me.

However, not once has the city, county, state or federal government discriminated against me based on my ancestry. Maybe that's because I don't put down hispanic or Islamic on the census, but I doubt that.
Majiffyover 10 years ago
Golbolco
I have to say, I don't really agree with Terry half of the time, but he's probably one of the best debaters on this website, if not in the collective blogosphere.
I mean he's denying things that have been empirically proven to exist but ok!
Majiffyover 10 years ago
Here are both accounts and studies regarding inequality for LGBT
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=systemic+oppression+against+lgbt

Here's the same thing for race
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=institutional+racism

And gender
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=institutional+sexism
Golbolcoover 10 years ago
I have to say, I don't really agree with Terry half of the time, but he's probably one of the best debaters on this website, if not in the collective blogosphere.
Majiffyover 10 years ago
MeetTerry
Black people are not being oppressed by police.

Crime is prevalent in poverty. Black people just tend to be living in these conditions and people immediately blame their skin color for the extra policing that occurs in these neighborhoods.
MeetTerry
Majiffy
Oh ho ho ho ok think whatever you want then you're clearly not interested whatsoever in having an honest discussion.
tell me how women are oppressed. tell me how LGBT are oppressed.

there is literally nothing stopping these people from becoming what they want to be
As a straight white male it is not my place to describe the oppression. Suffice to say there is enough information online for race, gender, and sexuality that you can simply use google and find both first-hand accounts as well as numerous studies that empirically show there is still systemic inequality in regards to race, gender, and sexuality.
deleteddeletedover 10 years ago
Stop Inter-race Sex Because It Causes White Genocide .
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MeetTerryover 10 years ago
Majiffy
Oh ho ho ho ok think whatever you want then you're clearly not interested whatsoever in having an honest discussion.
tell me how women are oppressed. tell me how LGBT are oppressed.

there is literally nothing stopping these people from becoming what they want to be
MeetTerryover 10 years ago
I have literally made dozens of threads in this forum step-by-step taking apart of the things you just mentioned.

holy ****
deleteddeletedover 10 years ago
I Want To Live In A World Where Iphones Can Coexist With Gays
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MeetTerryover 10 years ago
Black people are not being oppressed by police.

Crime is prevalent in poverty. Black people just tend to be living in these conditions and people immediately blame their skin color for the extra policing that occurs in these neighborhoods.
Majiffyover 10 years ago
MeetTerry
1. Such "systemic oppression" does not exist. No one discriminates on gender. Race tensions exist only because of people with victim complexes. Don't get me started on feminism. Sexuality? FFS. Police "violence" is over-exaggerated.
Oh ho ho ho ok think whatever you want then you're clearly not interested whatsoever in having an honest discussion.

MeetTerry
2. Financial gap is irrelevant. You do not think of wealth as a pie that gets divided on a dinner table. That's now analogous to wealth at all.
While the rich continue to exponentially get richer over time, living wages and standard of living for anyone not in the highest income percentile has stagnated.

That is the financial gap and it is anything but irrelevant.

rutab
Why would we need to sacrifice things like Iphones, video games, computers, etc. for same-sex marriage (already legal) and other social issues
Ask Terry, it appears to be his awarded and celebrated model.
Orlyover 10 years agoedited
are you the kind of scholar that quotes only one set of claims from one side of the argument for your thesis, and then refuses to mention any qualifying rebuttals?

you are pedantic to a fault, and the irony is you dont even have a cogent argument from your readings.

you would be getting a C in my class, at best

edit: i sincerely hope this isn't your best effort
deleteddeletedover 10 years ago
MeetTerry
Majiffy
So while your economist may be sound that a free-market economy results in a higher-growth market worldwide, at what cost? When we see riots in the streets because of police violence against minorities, or for the right of two same-sex individuals to wed, or simply because we do not make enough money to get by... Is it worth it?
1. Such "systemic oppression" does not exist. No one discriminates on gender. Race tensions exist only because of people with victim complexes. Don't get me started on feminism. Sexuality? FFS. Police "violence" is over-exaggerated.

2. Financial gap is irrelevant. You do not think of wealth as a pie that gets divided on a dinner table. That's now analogous to wealth at all.

You think these economists don't account for these differences, but they do. They have written literally dozens of textbooks on the rise, fall, growth of nations.
I found the biggest flaw in your argument.

Over-exaggerated is not a correct term and is redundant.
MeetTerryover 10 years ago
Majiffy
I would much rather a society that takes care of its economic lowest common denominator in a slower-growth economy than an expanded-boom economy where the wealth is only seen by the obscenely rich.

And frankly unless you're a multi-billionaire you should be inclined to agree.
"In our model (which is just that, a model), U.S. citizens would actually be worse off if they switched to a cuddly capitalism. Why? Because this would reduce the world’s growth rate, given the U.S.’s oversized contribution to the world technology frontier. In contrast, when Sweden switches from cutthroat to cuddly capitalism (or vice versa), this does not have an impact on the long-run growth rate of the world economy, because the important work is being done by U.S. innovation."
Shockover 10 years ago
MeetTerry
Shock
MeetTerry
There are implications because the US is the cutthroat leader in innovation and technology.
lol
I didn't expect anyone that's living in Europoor to understand this anyways
who's*
MeetTerryover 10 years ago
rutab
Majiffy
And really, do you NEED a new generation of iPhone out EVERY YEAR?

Does that make the world such a better place in lieu of basic human rights?
what
it was a terrible metaphor

he's in the "**** THE RICH" mindset.
deleteddeletedover 10 years ago
Why would we need to sacrifice things like Iphones, video games, computers, etc. for same-sex marriage (already legal) and other social issues
MeetTerryover 10 years ago
Majiffy
So while your economist may be sound that a free-market economy results in a higher-growth market worldwide, at what cost? When we see riots in the streets because of police violence against minorities, or for the right of two same-sex individuals to wed, or simply because we do not make enough money to get by... Is it worth it?
1. Such "systemic oppression" does not exist. No one discriminates on gender. Race tensions exist only because of people with victim complexes. Don't get me started on feminism. Sexuality? FFS. Police "violence" is over-exaggerated.

2. Financial gap is irrelevant. You do not think of wealth as a pie that gets divided on a dinner table. That's now analogous to wealth at all.

You think these economists don't account for these differences, but they do. They have written literally dozens of textbooks on the rise, fall, growth of nations.
Orlyover 10 years ago
MeetTerry
Orly
meetterry is so misinformed it's kind of sad
I'm misinformed for quoting Acemoglu, who is probably one of the most celebrated and awarded economists living today? Or Robinson who is also well-regarded in the economics community, along with Verdier?
not sure if serious or trolling but lmao, i just had a really good laugh
Majiffyover 10 years ago
rutab
Majiffy
And really, do you NEED a new generation of iPhone out EVERY YEAR?

Does that make the world such a better place in lieu of basic human rights?
what
The linchpin of his argument is that we should sacrifice social progress in favor of continuing to be a free-market technological powerhorse.
deleteddeletedover 10 years ago
Majiffy
And really, do you NEED a new generation of iPhone out EVERY YEAR?

Does that make the world such a better place in lieu of basic human rights?
what
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Majiffyover 10 years ago
And really, do you NEED a new generation of iPhone out EVERY YEAR?

Does that make the world such a better place in lieu of basic human rights?
Majiffyover 10 years ago
Like the problem your "celebrated and awarded" economists glaze over are the social implications of continued systemic oppression both socio-politically against race, gender and sexuality, and the massive financial gap between the richest in this country and literally everyone else.

So while your economist may be sound that a free-market economy results in a higher-growth market worldwide, at what cost? When we see riots in the streets because of police violence against minorities, or for the right of two same-sex individuals to wed, or simply because we do not make enough money to get by... Is it worth it?
Majiffyover 10 years ago
I would much rather a society that takes care of its economic lowest common denominator in a slower-growth economy than an expanded-boom economy where the wealth is only seen by the obscenely rich.

And frankly unless you're a multi-billionaire you should be inclined to agree.