visit mechanics

over 9 years

let's discuss problems with visiting mechanics in this game. currently, visits determine almost every action, whether or not it's logical, and roles no-visit to prevent being roleblocked, which generates even more logical inconsistencies

let's take the following roles for example:

loudmouth. im not sure if this has been changed, but loudmouth selfvisits in order to detect visitors. the problem with this? you can witch, trap, intercept, roleblock, and track loudmouth, a nonvisiting role. it also can't receive carols. last i checked there's still a bug with it and ninja.

priest. this has never changed: priest selfvisits to detect visitors. therefor, you can witch, trap, intercept, roleblock, and track priest, a nonvisiting role. it also can't receive carols.

ghoul. selfvisits to detect visitors. same problem.

maid and zombie. although they aren't supposed to be roleblocked, they can't be tracked, watched, trapped, intercepted, or killed by granny either. unsurprisingly, everyone hates zombie as a result: it's unstoppable because it never visits, nullifying most roles on it.

anarchist and arsonist. both of these roles are explicitly stated to visit, and with good reason: they visit. logically. but in reality, they don't, meaning they can't be tracked, watched, trapped, intercepted, or killed by granny. again, they nullify most roles.

there are two main issues here:

roles must visit to react

in the case of selfvisiting roles like lm, priest, ghoul, gramps, etc. these roles must selfvisit in order to react to visitors, which means they are subject to all visit mechanics even though these are NOT visiting roles (except gramps, but the mechanic itself is not)

roles must not visit to act

in the case of unblockable roles like maid, zombie, anarchist, and arsonist (although the last two have no reason to be immune to roleblock), they prevent roleblock by effectively becoming ninjas. they don't show up on reports, they can't be intercepted, they don't trigger witch, etc. they do WAY more than simply acting without roleblock. just because you can't block a role doesn't mean it doesn't visit. on the contrary, if a role always visits, it follows that it visits

deletedover 9 years

lol

cub

over 9 years

Strider says

watcher (and by extension lookout) not visiting has been an integral part of competitive setups featuring the watcher for a long long time. someone in main lobby should review each watcher setup to conclude whether or not the setup would become unbalanced with the mechanic changed

that someone will not be me, however

are you trolling or something

Strider

over 9 years

i dunno why youre against watcher being on the list

cub

over 9 years

Strider says

how does watcher watch someones house without going to the house huh

how does tree talk

watcher has binoculars suspension of disbelief is easier than zombie bites people from another house

deletedover 9 years

hiding behind the bushes

Strider

over 9 years

how does watcher watch someones house without going to the house huh

deletedover 9 years

well that was a beautiful piece of epicmafia role mechanics description foxie. i'd swear there was soul in that

oh ok

cub

over 9 years

also you can derail other threads but keep it out of this one

cub

over 9 years

watcher not visiting is perfectly logical and consistent on em, it doesn't matter what other websites do

it's roles that blatantly should visit like maid, zombie, arsonist, etc. that make no sense. you can watch from afar, you can't bite someone from afar

deletedover 9 years

i just got up

Strider

over 9 years

i think i'll pass, but good afternoon

deletedover 9 years

+ last bs suicide

deletedover 9 years

https://epicmafia.com/game/4419860

do u guys wanna play mafia w/ me? i should be 16/16 in this round, but nobody knows i own anymore so they won't sheep me =(

deletedover 9 years

morning mist

deletedover 9 years

morning pals.

deletedover 9 years

Strider says

that someone will not be me, however

i'm on it lol

Strider

over 9 years

well, i think it's actually valid to make watcher visit, because this is the only mafia site that watcher doesn't visit on

i'm just saying we can't do it without checking first though

deletedover 9 years

hello dave and foxie

cub

over 9 years

nobody is arguing that watcher should visit

we explicitly stated that is one of the exceptions

Strider

over 9 years

watcher (and by extension lookout) not visiting has been an integral part of competitive setups featuring the watcher for a long long time. someone in main lobby should review each watcher setup to conclude whether or not the setup would become unbalanced with the mechanic changed

that someone will not be me, however

deletedover 9 years

Platypops says

Muriat says

bump, this still has not been addressed~

Probably never will be, either

Platypops droppin' dem truth bombs

Platypops

over 9 years

Muriat says

bump, this still has not been addressed~

Probably never will be, either

Muriat

over 9 years

bump, this still has not been addressed~

cub

over 9 years

it would also be cool if people who are cheffed visited the person they were cheffed with, because logically they would

then you could create all kinds of interesting situations particularly to combat chef, because chef is op

cub

over 9 years

you didn't do it well enough. all roleblocking functions the same way, just like all visit mechanics currently function the exact same way which is the problem.