"meta abuse"

Hibikiabout 11 years ago

prove you know your stuff, post your definition of meta abuse and how to do it ITT

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UniversalStudiosabout 11 years agoedited
UniversalStudios
Meta abuse is common sense. I say that to say that people are ignorant of high level mafia play
belovedprincess
ur chain of thought is dumb and basically equal to 'player meta is something noobs made up to feel better about themselves'
UniversalStudios
so knowing or playing at a high level will make those ignorant of it think you're cheating when the truth is you're stomping people that suck.
belovedprincess
ur chain of thought is dumb and basically equal to 'player meta is something noobs made up to feel better about themselves'
UniversalStudios
People on this site display behavior in patterns and groups, and meta is all about identifying and using them to your advantage.
belovedprincess
ur chain of thought is dumb and basically equal to 'player meta is something noobs made up to feel better about themselves'
UniversalStudios
The problem comes in when you factor in that people play purely to grind points instead of intangibles like scumhunting or improving. Playing with either as your goal lead to behaviors that help win games which is frown upon by our pointfarming community.
belovedprincess
ur chain of thought is dumb and basically equal to 'player meta is something noobs made up to feel better about themselves'
UniversalStudiosabout 11 years ago
Fine, let me literally show you how wrong you are :)
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
which was a dumb and poorly worded follow-on from the dumb and poorly worded post i just quoted
UniversalStudiosabout 11 years ago
UniversalStudios
I'm pondering the notion of my bolded statement.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
UniversalStudios
Meta abuse is common sense. I say that to say that people are ignorant of high level mafia play, so knowing or playing at a high level will make those ignorant of it think you're cheating when the truth is you're stomping people that suck. If you don't believe this read Ruse/Cocacola/Gerryoat pastebins. People on this site display behavior in patterns and groups, and meta is all about identifying and using them to your advantage.

The problem comes in when you factor in that people play purely to grind points instead of intangibles like scumhunting or improving. Playing with either as your goal lead to behaviors that help win games which is frown upon by our pointfarming community.
UniversalStudiosabout 11 years ago
belovedprincess
ur chain of thought is dumb and basically equal to 'player meta is something noobs made up to feel better about themselves'

whereas it's an obvious, actual thing. people literally win trophies all the time by the advantage of having a bunch of friends in game with them
belovedprincess
it's incorrect and poorly worded
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
ur chain of thought is dumb and basically equal to 'player meta is something noobs made up to feel better about themselves'

whereas it's an obvious, actual thing. people literally win trophies all the time by the advantage of having a bunch of friends in game with them
UniversalStudiosabout 11 years ago
Sims
player meta occurs because people learn each others' tells after playing w/ each other. that's pretty much objective. you can argue that player meta is more likely to be used when there's a lack of "mechanical meta" to follow, but that's only a portion of when people user player meta.
You're following my chain of thought, but once I started expanding on it I realized I was recalling the era we won trophies in, not this era. Mechanical games remove the necessity to think outside of a vacuum since most case are 2/3 or better. Games aren't about appealing to the table they're about appealing to the clear and the stigma of meta just makes it even more pointless to use.

If you find me an example of something you think is player meta in this era, I can probably point out how and why it's mechanical.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
lol
Simsabout 11 years ago
it's spelled supersede
UniversalStudiosabout 11 years agoedited
belovedprincess
it's incorrect and poorly worded
Sims
me too, because it's worded poorly and also wrong

Oh
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
just dont join games with people you know how to scum read someone with extreme accuracy through prior experience

it's like watching someone play rock-paper-scissors before playing
Simsabout 11 years ago
"'Player meta' occurs because balanced 'mechanical meta' should rarely superceed players need to interact with each other to either resolve the day or win games."

player meta occurs because people learn each others' tells after playing w/ each other. that's pretty much objective. you can argue that player meta is more likely to be used when there's a lack of "mechanical meta" to follow, but that's only a portion of when people user player meta.
Simsabout 11 years ago
UniversalStudios
I'm pondering the notion of my bolded statement.
me too, because it's worded poorly and also wrong
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
rain occurs because the sun should rarely evaporate water

there u go
UniversalStudiosabout 11 years agoedited
Yet nothing you've posted can match it. I was going to elaborate on it but it turned into a rant. Mechanical clear based meta is all we'll have for the foreseeable future.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
it's incorrect and poorly worded
UniversalStudiosabout 11 years ago
I'm pondering the notion of my bolded statement.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
zovea, stop playing fancy pants and go do something else bro
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
if dave is just defending gerryoat, then he's correct (i briefly skimmed what he was saying)
UniversalStudiosabout 11 years ago
Sims
fu
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
ok
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Simsabout 11 years ago
ok
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UniversalStudiosabout 11 years ago
Sims
in retrospect we probably should ease up on moderating meta abuse though. every single case since i became admin resulted in a terrible reception & the mods being abused for it.
Lets start by defining meta and then applying it to EpicMafia.

Meta is the ideal way to execute a game's system. You pick the best characters, use the best weapons, and take the fastest routes in your attempts to master the game's system.

When you take this approach in EpicMafia you start with the game's system. EM is a text based chat game in which you try to identify alignments then convince those you're aligned with to vote those you're not aligned with. I'll start with the notion of "mechanical meta" which covers the game and its system. It includes things such as how setups are being played, who claims, how you go about finding scum in the setup, and any night actions, day revelations, or interactions that happen that cause people to act or feel a certain way. This seem to be where you're failing your "meta abuse" cases as most of the actions you deemed suspicious tend to occur here, instead of "player meta".

"Player meta" occurs because balanced "mechanical meta" should rarely superceed players need to interact with each other to either resolve the day or win games.

This deserves it's own topic but I'll suffice to say that you're not going to be dealing with cases in this area because pointfarming has replaced scumhunting with mechanics based PoE. Few if any people put effort into this area of the game because games are simple enough to PoE based on roles and in-game events. The only pastebin that contained "player meta" was Cocacola's and the only outlying meta was Zwink's fos at the start of the game. Everything else in these pastebins was standard play based on "mechanical meta".
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
i can't really remember what i did, but i remember it being high-level and mean as f*ck and apologising for it after