A New Approach to EM's Comp

Orlyabout 11 years ago

It should come as no surprise to anyone that has played Competitive lately that the state of the game has deteriorated immensely, and in particular, the frequency of meta-friendships has increased greatly, mainly due to the smaller player-base. Meta-friendships have always been around, but only now has it gotten so out of hand that it's hard to find a single round in which it hasn't occurred. Personally, I blame pranay for stirring the pot and basically encouraging this sort of mentality as the 'optimal' way to win a trophy.

In order to resuscitate EM's competition and restore a sense of legitimacy to the game, we need to take a three-pronged approach to rectify the underlying issue.

Redefine Cheating - First, we need to segment the current definition of cheating. A general cheating definition is fine, as it covers the specific instances of outright cheating. However, we need a separate violation for Multi-accounting (in the same game), which should, in my opinion, be an instant ban. More importantly, however, we need to endorse meta-friendships. They are unpreventable and need to be outlined as an acceptable strategy.

What is a meta-friendship? A player joins with another player with the intent to help that other player win, so long as they still abide by their win condition (might want to rephrase this so it makes more sense in contrast to Gamethrowing). Yes, you heard me right, and you'll understand why shortly.

Limit Players to 10 Comp Games with Any Other Player in a Given Round - We need to somehow make this a rule. Ideally, lucid could code us something that bars entry into a competitive game that has a player the runner has already played 10 games with. Ideally, this would be account-wide, barring alts from swapping in. I think 10 is a very generous amount, but the point is still there: we can't stop meta-friendships, but we can limit how often you do it and with whom. We may not be able to stop Ruse, for example, from joining each other's games, but I think after 10 with the same person, it's reasonable to say their run has been, at the very least, boosted by that other player's presence. Anon games won't work to prevent meta-friendships, but this will.

More than likely, lucid will not be willing or won't be around to code this. So I suggest this be made an announced rule and mods simply warn players that pass 10 games and then suspend if they do it. Believe it or not, in any given round, it is actually hard to play more than 10 games with 1 player, if you are joining games randomly. We need this randomization to deter extensive meta abuse.

Remove/Limit GY Vision in Comp - This is the major one. This is the one method we have of curtailing serious cheating in EM competitions. Ideally, we have lucid code it so that GY vision in comp games is equivalent to a blue that is still alive (i.e. see nothing do nothing in night sequences). However, simply removing GY vision, at the cost of spectating, is still an effective solution. If you care about legitimate games, you should want this and suffer to review the game if you really want to spectate. Still, the ideal solution is a great one and allows for non-intrusive spectating.


TL;DR The only way to counteract excessive meta abuse by friends is to 1) redefine cheating by endorsing meta-friendships (and defining them), 2) limit the amount of meta-friendship directly by player-to-player, 3) remove GY vision as a viable tactic for undetectable, serious cheating.

Poll
Restore EM's Competitive Glory
Nay70%7
Yay30%3
NothinButTime1about 11 years ago
that example is just like the ncaa march madness tournament. there will be a lot more upsets and better players might not finish to their standards.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
I support removing gy vision but not limiting players because the current comp community is too small.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
removing gy vision is a bad idea, changing the way the gy visions won't really stop cheaters either
10
KEKKEKEKEKEKKKabout 11 years ago
SGR had the perfect idea years ago. Make a competition that's round-based. The players from the winning team from each game advance to the next round. Everyone in the final winning team wins. Everyone always holds the same stakes, very few ppl will ever be throwing for friends in the finals as the game will be equally important for all of them. Also makes multiaccounting/throwing against other runners on alts much harder.
Giga13about 11 years ago
admin
this has been going on forever. i feel like competitive mafia has been 'deteriorating' as long as the site has been in existence.
It's fine, people always blow it out of proportion
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
trying to eradicate cheating in mafia just ends up giving mods less reliable ways of identifying cheating and cheaters. you can still cheat in 10 games, it's just magnificently harder to prove meta/GTing in favor of someone in 10 games as opposed to 20. this argument applies to basically any anti-cheating suggestion.
NothinButTime1about 11 years ago
i think that's a bad idea though. i want to see what is going on in the game. you can learn many different things from watching a game.
vildenabout 11 years ago
Limit Players to 10 Comp Games with Any Other Player in a Given Round
just as an example I chose to play tables with hedger and a few with anthony, I went 15-11 with hedger and 4-5 with anthony. these are my friends who make the game fun but don't play to my win condition. I won most percentage-wise with milo/solace lol
vildenabout 11 years ago
you can't properly moderate meta friendships in games, but I like the gy vision idea. remove gy vision completely until the game finishes
NothinButTime1about 11 years agoedited
I didn't know orly could talk this much. maybe you should try to talk as much during some of your games...
Orlyabout 11 years ago
sent u a message on gchat and pm
adminabout 11 years ago
or gchat, my email is [email protected]
Orlyabout 11 years ago
and yeah, i do think meta abuse should be essentially endorsed. it will legitimize the competition

i get that limiting who you play with isnt feasible, but it's really the only way to have the competition be legitimate.
adminabout 11 years ago
hey orly, want to chat on skype?
Orlyabout 11 years ago
lucid since you're around, pls implement limited GY vision for comp if you can. that would help a lot. the other things are really up to the mods anyway.
Togepiabout 11 years ago
Yes please.
AdrenalineMimeabout 11 years ago
bring back modgames
Annaabout 11 years agoedited
Mist, please don't bypass the filter by using quotation marks.
2
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
hi lucidrains, can i call you phil? yes, hi, i'd like the name "dog". thanks for your time.
deleteddeletedabout 11 years agoedited
Sonrio
lucid can i have a 3 letter username
don't give sonrio "gay", he hasn't earned it.
Sonrioabout 11 years ago
lucid can i have a 3 letter username
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
haha OK whatever it was a joke
Annaabout 11 years ago
Ashelia
Anna
Ashelia
lucid posts opinion, four mods en masse post to agree with it
mist isn't a mod. They quit because they got all mad because arcbell hijacked their account.
i was talking about you me lore and togepi
You hasn't been active on EpicMafia in ages,
deleteddeletedabout 11 years ago
Ashelia
Anna
Ashelia
lucid posts opinion, four mods en masse post to agree with it
mist isn't a mod. They quit because they got all mad because arcbell hijacked their account.
i was talking about you me lore and togepi
since when is Anna a mod
Simsabout 11 years ago
i think you need to keep in mind that it's a game, and limiting who people play with is anti-fun
1