I originally filed an appeal against Mist, mistakenly believing that hip-firing being GT was the precedent ruling. I had this mistaken assumption because the last time I was active on this site, that was the case.
It is now clear that my actual appeal is against the current precedent. Mist was merely basing the verdict on current precedent, and has made no mistake in handling the original report
To me this seems like a very black/white scenario. Shooting a gun for the sake of shooting a gun is a clear indication that you do not care about the outcome of the game. If you cared about the outcome of the game, you would try to shoot in such a way that benefits town.
The current precedent treats hip-firing as trolling. Is there any merit in this? Is someone who randomly fires a gun trying to antagonize anyone, or is it that they do not care about winning?
Helsinki has taken the bold stand against the current precedent, and I imagine that moderators are discussing this among themselves before the next vote is cast.
Lets help them make the right decision. >>>>>>>>>
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Should hip-firing (shooting with no reads) be considered Game-throwing?
Yes57%33
No42%24
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
vilden how about this then, from now on grs cannot be given to mafia unless they say in pre game: i'm going to veg if i'm in auto loss OR they say screw this game i'm vegging
question: when is it proper temperate to wear jorts?
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
the fact of the matter is, when you allow people to hipshoot, or give it the lesser vio it comes down to this
moderators
do not know who players grudge
so allowing people to hipshoot and saying its only gamethrowing if you are grudge shooting
is fricking stupid BECAUSE YOU CANNOT PROVE whether the person grudge shot or not, ever. Unless they explicitly say I'm grudge shooting in which case that still is the same violation as hipshooting, because the person can STILL BE MAFIA, and that's all you people are considering with hipshooting right? they just have to be shooting for mafia.
I think the GT vio would be issued merely on the hipfire that contains proof of a grudge (pregame: "oh pranay joined ugh") Pranay is hipfired. That's a GT vio
no point in the definition of gamethrowing does it cover shooting or lynching someone you don't like.
It covers not playing to your win conditions / trying to lose or whatever.
If you lynch a person you dislike from the game you can still win, because they can still be mafia. Hipshooting and grudgeshooting are literally the same thing your whole argument is so flawed idk what to even say anymore
i go onto myspace.com, i open up the Shoe Forums, and i make a topic: "What shoes should you wear when avoiding quicksand?" the thread lights up and skyrockets to top of the page at least 12 times.
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deleteddeletedover 11 years agoedited
i don't need the answer.
now, let's take your prior argument into consideration.
can the person you hipshoot be mafia. (the answer is the same, and the probability of them being mafia is the exact same)
devante, shooting a grudge is shooting for not mafia
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
do you realize how stupid this sounds... just read your whole post, then read the last sentence
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
It really depends. If i get the gun and hip fire it its not Gt. If somebody else gets the gun and shoot somebody else still not GT. If i get shot by hip fire that guy is reported.
The underlying assumption (shooting for mafia at a time not appropriate to have gained reads) is so insignificant when it comes to a gun setup. There is uncertainty anytime the gun hasn't been shot yet, and I bet the uncertainty of a game outcome drops only a small amount as time goes on w/ the gun alive.
There would also be a contradiction where a GT is applied for hipfiring both a town and for hipfiring a hooker. It's awkward
Generally every failed hipfire I've seen is followed by disappointment and apologies. I think joining a gun setup is "accepting the risk," that your bp is possibly a maniac.
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