deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
i liked sawyer too.
My main gripe with FP is that you can literally join games and self vote and you'll still end up with a positive w/l ratio. This isn't speculation, go do it. The fact that you reliably win as town with no skill other than following the ingrained pointfarming tactics that come with prolonged play of the setup is why it's currently 53% townsided. If people were mastering how to succeed at the site as a whole and not just FP, the setup could be in the high 60% and you can see this in players that have no clue what to do when a PR dies, but maintain a 60% win ratio with FP as their primary setup. FP can exist as a pointfarm but it can't include the gunsmith setup because that's what's keeping mafia from being able to do anything reliably in the setup.
The setup was made to pointfarm and the behaviors you adapt playing this setup currently plague the site in so far as people don't know how to lynch mafia in auto win scenarios, don't know how to or realize that they should be identifying both town and mafia in every game they play, and will go out of their way to try and setup hammers for the clear in lieu of putting effort into winning games for themselves. These are the most prevailing of them but they are vast and will require a full scale restructuring of how this functions in order to solve.
They currently don't. They take their handling of the community seriously, but I don't think any of the mods currently think about the impact of their verdicts based on the outcome of games, but solely from a vio or no vio perspective and this needs to stop.
We need the mods to do more than just vio/no vio if we're going to have any meaningful change. This isn't an assault on people for being bad at the game as a whole. If I've learned anything from coming back to this site, it's that I can't hold people responsible for things they've never been subjected to such as competition, role models, and the game being played in a way that isn't corrupted by pointfarming. To this end pointfarming behaviors need to be eradicated through the use of the report system. This starts with ISP, we currently have a mod appealing an ISP report and even though I haven't read the game, I feel for what he typed in the appeal. You shouldn't be forced to play around people that are going to do the minimum required to not get a violation. The process of reading the game and outing your opinions on people's alignment shouldn't be a rarity, it should happen every game.
This is a good transition to include playing to win. Playing to win doesn't include waiting for the clear to play the game for you. It doesn't include contributing nothing but filler and omgus until the clear is ready to vote. Playing to win means that in any game from a player you spectate you see them putting forth effort into achieving their win condition. This is a rare quality in the current meta and it's why few people take this game seriously. This needs to be a requirement because "FP" has stripped this from the average player.
