In the game above, three people are alive on Night 3, (At the end of Day 2 technically) which are a Blue, a Gunsmith, and a Maf.
In this game, mafia decides to kill the clear gunsmith while the gunsmith decides to gun blue. The game ends. If the game were to continue, there would only be a gunned blue and a defenseless maf standing head to head. The blue would simply shoot the maf and gain a win for village.
The game wrongly assigned a mafia win because there could be no opportunity for town to overcome mafia through a day lynch because there were only 2 people remaining, and didn't consider guns as a factor.
I do consider these things if the game was changed so that it doesn't end early:
Mafia should have killed blue instead because GS can't gun himself. (But two things arise from this: Mafia should be punished for a miskill AND this also gives reason in the metagame for GS not to out.)
GS gunned N2 which was a random gun and could have ended in a mafia autowin. (This was at the GS's discretion and people usually don't fungun)
Making this situation's "win flag" not end the game early would not affect town/maf win ratios very much because this is a very specific occurance.
I also want to point out the game was ranked so everybody got a false mark on their record.
Any suggestions or debunkings? Please leave a comment
Mafia nice interpretation lol. I never thought about how mafia is actually hiding their guns during the day.
Also to the second part of your post, I was saying if the game went on passed the win condition and in this exact scenario, killing blue N3 would be smarter than killing GS in this scenario. Because GS can't gun himself. It's all theory
SO I know you didn't say this, at least I don't think you did. In theory though, N3 Blue, GS, Mafia. Mafia kills gs, gs guns blue. D4 Mafia wins. Why? Because even if town is armed, mafia is a trained killer now and is going to out gun a villager. No one is there to help the villager over come mafia anymore. If that is what you are getting at ... problem solved. If you are getting at the fact that you should kill blues instead of gs's, well, I disagree. If you kill the wrong blue it is auto. Kill the gs. The the gunned blue has to pick between two blues claims to kill.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Zovea is here, brace yourselves, current site meta and FP will be mentioned in his next post.
Benjamin, the only problem there is is when theres very specific scenarios like the one I linked in the forum posts where IF continued, the win would go to somebody different. It's technically a non problem because it doesnt happen all that offen. And the overruling rule that states "Mafia wins when equal to or greater than town" pretty much nullifies this. The idea though is just interesting
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
lGames has only played fancy pants, so he cannot fathom that what he's implying would make not only fancy pants but any single setup with a gunsmith in it incredibly more town sided
Incorrect! The game would go on forever, it shouldn't be a tie because mafia must kill everyone to win!
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
I don't really know what you're talking about still. It isn't clear to me what you mean. Of course you are right that, if continued, the town could always win. But that doesn't tell me much. Why is it a problem? Why does it matter that the game was not extended?
I also agree with the simplicity over complexity. I'm glad we had this discussion rather than just saying "YOURE WRONG"
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Changing the game so that it doesn't end when maf equals town would ruin the strategy that many players have been using for years. It would be a bad idea, and mess people up, and most likely the site would lose many users. It is one of the fundamental game rules, and it would be disastrous to change it now.
there are a lot of "this could happen" scenarios in mafia, and maybe they're considered in more casual games of mafia, but it's inelegant game design to add a bunch of exceptions to em like this
Benjamin, Correct. Maybe only check for a gun in a 2 person scenario. And waiting for gun to be fired if maf has it in that scenario would be redundant I agree
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Epicmafia is now becoming the royal rumble, except everyone will be given a gun and the last man standing wins.
deleteddeletedover 11 years agoedited
EDIT: Ok, I don't see why it should wait for EVERY gun to be fired.
Benjamin to your last comment "What rule do you disagree with?" This forum post was to just suggest a clause to check for if a gun is present before ending the game.
If there was never discussion about anything, nothing would be changed. I'm glad even if I am wrong, this discussion was had. If anything it can somehow prove that the metagame should not be changed.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
I'm going to think of the worst idea ever put forth on these forums, and I bet this idea will be worse than that.
