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Round 261 Discussion

deleteddeletedover 11 years ago

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kittykeri

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Basic Logic

Sex and Lies

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Strong Man

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Giga13

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Jan 2.0

kill all mods v2

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Clairover 11 years ago
honestly all i can do at this point is pray that the two moderators who handle the appeal can see sense because projectmatt is so clearly wearing blinders at this point
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Orlyover 11 years ago
Hm here's why I think pjm is right.

1) They ML'd Hibiki regardless

2) Akira ISP'd, but he actually asked for him to be lynched at the end of D2, because he thought it was a ML still.

So yeah, I don't think this should be refunded tbh.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Aura
Connor
AKIRA COASTING AKA ISPING IS THE REASON HE GOT REPORTED, THAT FOS WOULD NOT EXIST IF HE PLAYED THE GAME, HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND. FOSES ARE NOT FINAL. VOTES ARE FINAL. HE GAMETHREW AND GOT BLITZD ON. HOW CAN YOU NOT COMPREHEND THIS PROJECTMATT
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
im really confused how you can say like 'well town's chance of winning wasn't greatly affected' like honestly baffled his actions cost town the game

i really dont see where youre coming with this one
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jackover 11 years ago
I know matt said it was case by case but i've reported for isp before in a near identical situation (where the vote and isp allowed mafia to blitz, eliminating any chance of town win) and it was not refunded, so i guess that's consistency.
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
We are being civil/
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
> pj feels like he's being attacked
> disregards that we're arguing validly
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
But but but thats what polo said can happen
projectmattover 11 years ago
Aura
that can't happen in pjm's opinion. these games were 100% lost.
How is a town player openly foss'ing the two other town in a LYLO situation and saying that they are the "only possible team" open to interpretation?
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
projectmatt
Retti
projectmatt
Retti
"I chose not to refund Connor's game because there was a very strong indication that the town was likely to lose the game."

can i ask why this matters? shouldn't the offense that the violated person given be the sole focus of whether or not someone gets a refund?
Okay, correction.

I chose not to refund Connor's game because there was a very strong indication the town would have lost regardless of whether or nor Akira had broken any rules.
he got blitzed on though from what im hearing? who cares if he didn't break any rules. the fact is that he did?
??

The game would be refunded if the town's chance of winning was strongly effected. Since I believe that the town would have lost regardless and that the mafia played a good game, I do not think that it is worthy of a refund.
dude

town lost because he ISPd and got blitzed on

their chance of winning went down to absolute 0 when he did that
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
that can't happen in pjm's opinion. these games were 100% lost.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Fidelis
Fidelis
And had conman/akira not self voted maybe their reads were to be different
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Fidelis
And had conman/akira not self voted maybe their reads were to be different
projectmattover 11 years ago
Retti
projectmatt
Retti
"I chose not to refund Connor's game because there was a very strong indication that the town was likely to lose the game."

can i ask why this matters? shouldn't the offense that the violated person given be the sole focus of whether or not someone gets a refund?
Okay, correction.

I chose not to refund Connor's game because there was a very strong indication the town would have lost regardless of whether or nor Akira had broken any rules.
he got blitzed on though from what im hearing? who cares if he didn't break any rules. the fact is that he did?
??

The game would be refunded if the town's chance of winning was strongly effected. Since I believe that the town would have lost regardless and that the mafia played a good game, I do not think that it is worthy of a refund.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
projectmatt
've stated my thoughts many, many times and since this thread is completely vindictive, then I'll probably step out after this post
pjm knows very well that the complaints in this thread are 1. valid despite whether or not you take the same stance 2. focused on the result of the reports-even if you call it witchhunting (lol, go look at any other wrong decisions and tell me this is bad) it stems from the ruling on the report not a vendetta against him
projectmatt
If any moderators would like to civilly talk about it with me, then you can PM me.
now this one is just humiliating. selfevident.
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justrecover 11 years ago
Oh man, I knew I said that the community would bully the moderator into overturning the report, but when he intends to not break down, you guys are willing to cut off his head. This is ridiculous.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
you can't even judge how a games outcome pjm would be when the person who gamethrew took away any chance of a win, no matter how much you think you can assume so.
Clairover 11 years ago
Connor
well, after waiting around for a moderator to make the wrong decision, now i have to wait around for either a) another moderator to make the wrong decision or b) TWO moderators to come around and take several hours to discuss the report until the right decision is made. looks like my day is planned for me
2 hours later........
BlackBattlerover 11 years ago
unsatisfactory answer polo
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
And had conman not self voted maybe their reads were to be different
deleteddeletedover 11 years agoedited
projectmatt
Retti
"I chose not to refund Connor's game because there was a very strong indication that the town was likely to lose the game."

can i ask why this matters? shouldn't the offense that the violated person given be the sole focus of whether or not someone gets a refund?
Okay, correction.

I chose not to refund Connor's game because there was a very strong indication the town would have lost regardless of whether or nor Akira had broken any rules.
he got blitzed on though from what im hearing? who cares if he didn't break any rules. the fact is that he did?
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
bye
Orlyover 11 years ago
Isn't the basis of refunding now whether or not the person's behavior directly caused the loss?
Poloover 11 years ago
Fidelis, if I remember correctly my hard tr on MrEmmet was outted after we realized Jchu was self-killing, and I assumed he was mafia at that point. It was therefore a pretty different situation than what would have actually happened in the game, had Jchu been around.
projectmattover 11 years ago
Retti
"I chose not to refund Connor's game because there was a very strong indication that the town was likely to lose the game."

can i ask why this matters? shouldn't the offense that the violated person given be the sole focus of whether or not someone gets a refund?
Okay, correction.

I chose not to refund Connor's game because there was a very strong indication the town would have lost regardless of whether or nor Akira had broken any rules.