Round 257 Discussion

gennehfarrxDover 11 years ago

Congratulations to the winners of Round 253!


Faithless

Setups

Overturn 2 Eloquence

FRICK JILL 2.0


Shivv

Setups

Trinity

To be or not to be (guarded)?


Rondar

Setups

Voltron Doesn't Like It

Search & Destroy II


Good luck to the participants of Round 257!

Join the competition!!

Giga13over 11 years ago
yes they are.

If town wins 90% of the games in a two-sided setup, town will not get 70 points for a win. THat is a fact.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
HIGH POINT PAYOUT MEANS LOW WIN RATE!!!! IT BALANCES OUT!!!! THE FORMULA IS PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!!
Giga13over 11 years ago
idk why bronto did that but he's gone now so no point arguing it

we'll see what transpires
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
NO THEY AREN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Giga13over 11 years ago
Nonon
Giga13
Connor: "It's ok to blacklist A&D because of the statistics, but it's not ok to blacklist Trinity for the same reason"
no. you can argue that trinity is too scumsided. i never said that was an issue. i never said trinity is a legit/balanced/OK setup. i'm pointing out that point payouts are irrelevant. read words
but they are when they get nasty like above 70

if the mods wanna give it more plays fine, i guess but once it hits 200 then you really have no excuse to keep it unblacklisted if its still above 57/42 mafia

point payouts are determined by town wins and scum wins in the setup. if town gets 70+ points for a win, then scum is obviously winning more in the setup, therefore one can argue that the setup is scumsided
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
It wasn't a rule. It was a single, exceptional case that Bronto made to try to cure Competitions of the 'Gun Culture'. It got a lot of criticism at the time, then people realised they could get around with A&R and A&V and thus nobody cares.

There is no rule anywhere about points payouts. There are rules about extreme scumsidedness, of which Trinity at 58% is right on the cusp of, and also extreme townsidedness (which is essentially anything at 54%+ because probability states that you will role town more often in all setups this is applicable too).

Payouts are irrelevant to both, hence why SK vs Mafia and Manhunt were both permitted to be comped much, much more recently than A&D's blacklisting.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
No I didn't

I am telling you bronto specifically told me he blacklisted it because he didnt like its payouts. You're wrong and right. I am right and wrong. He literally told me that's why its blacklisted. Did I say it was right? No. Stop being a douche
Mikiover 11 years ago
hes right, you could have just posted the stats
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Rutab
I'm not even saying you're wrong, I am saying your a **** and you could have just told me without being annoying
i told u u were wrong and u cried "but bronto said so!!!!!" so i sat u down
Giga13over 11 years ago
>Admin makes a rule
>People accept it at the time
>Now nobody cares

Whatever sue me for trying to follow a rule that's after your time as admin
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Giga13
Connor: "It's ok to blacklist A&D because of the statistics, but it's not ok to blacklist Trinity for the same reason"
no. you can argue that trinity is too scumsided. i never said that was an issue. i never said trinity is a legit/balanced/OK setup. i'm pointing out that point payouts are irrelevant. read words
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
I'm not even saying you're wrong, I am saying your a **** and you could have just told me without being annoying
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
A&D was blacklisted because the admin didn't like it, and made up a reason to get rid of it. This failed, as people just play A&R or A&V instead. As both of these have lesser stats but get played just as much, nobody really cares about the bs reasoning used to blacklist A&D anymore.
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Mikiover 11 years ago
that was unnecessary ye
Giga13over 11 years ago
Miki
he's not trying to be a douchebag towards you, he's just pointing out cold hard facts @_@
Yeah he is
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
are you trying to fight math, rutab
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Nonon
Rutab
Payouts are only the way they are because its townsided or scumsided
you are stupid
Mikiover 11 years ago
he's not trying to be a douchebag towards you, he's just pointing out cold hard facts @_@
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
And whether your rude *** likes it or not, bronto blacklisted A&D due to its payouts
Giga13over 11 years ago
Lashka
I never blacklisted a single setup due to points payouts, so your 'couple years' is an utterly incorrect statement.
OK I was wrong about time

I'm still right about everything else
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
do you think i'm telling you you're wrong when you're not??? you really think that is something i would do???
Giga13over 11 years ago
Connor: "It's ok to blacklist A&D because of the statistics, but it's not ok to blacklist Trinity for the same reason"
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Stop being a huge douchebag what the hell
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
there's no rules that exist pointing to point payouts. shut up
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
I never blacklisted a single setup due to points payouts, so your 'couple years' is an utterly incorrect statement.