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yeah well you're dumb
mw should be suspended. and meta is totally different from honest meta and meta abuse.
It's not. There is no easy solution to meta-gaming problems in mafia on EM. I'm trying to show a solution doesn't exist.
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I'm having trouble following you Arcbell. What about anything you're saying is a solution to the metagame problems?
Arcbell says I do not understand what you mean by this but you're the one that is putting your own view of things. Meta gaming is a well-established term and includes information about the people you are playing against or with. Meta isn't illegal and is in fact very useful, but there is a line drawn
KyIe says Or devising meta-games I suppose, but that definition isn't useful here at all.
KyIe says Not really. Metagaming is playing a metagame.
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oh well metagaming and a metagame are two different things.
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hollywood illusions is an even worse setup than i thought it would be.
All you're doing is taking the subjectivity out of the rules and putting it into the definition of "game information set"
Arcbell says Steven says http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming The information defined as part of the game is the information that is essential to the games purpose: being able to communicate being part of it.
Knowing whether or not the person that FoSes you is an expert mafia player is out-of-game information.
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Arcbell what are your personal thoughts on Skippy's run and these meta abuse accusations?
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The first was to Emma, and the second was because I decided your explanation was better.
I have no idea who you're responding or what you're talking about Howl, just in case you're talking to me
Steven says http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming There is no "out of game information" to mafia (existing prior to the start of the game) since the information defined as part of the game is everything the players know at the start of the game, and everything they learn from within the game over its course. Otherwise you'd be forced to call knowledge of the English language "meta-game" information. I mean if you want to define the game that way then fine, EVERYTHING BUT VOTES IS META, but that's not a fruitful way to define information that's part of the game of mafia.
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Back to intent.
EmmerrLouise says Steven says EmmerrLouise says Arcbell says The name of the rule is more general than what the rule actually covers.
Spilling water accidentally on your computer would be an outside game influence on the game for example, but it is not OGI (as in the rule)
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One occurs in real-time and the other does not.
Steven says EmmerrLouise says Arcbell says I was p sure OGI stood for "outside game influence" so how is one allowed but its acronym is not?
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ok ok sorry dave.
Jupiter says Steven says No, I'm going from what I hear only
Steven says are you sure?
There's other things besides epicmafia and real life
