a note is fair

ignorantia juris non excusat, i'm willing to overturn this to a note, but i really think black is bullshitting his is reasoning. ill let it slide this time

Vote to overturn to no violation.

plays, he is often times fearvoted or fearkilled. I have said that in pregame in other games, and as I have said before, that is the very reason I jailed Death n1. I know that Riddler has been n1 jailed plenty throughout this run, so I was cutting him some slack. That was before I found out that he was mafia.

I see where you're saying that. When I said "Pain is going to betray you" I figured, since it's Riddler, Pain is going to kill him. That way, I jail Riddler, there is only me killing him, and then the next day we vote out Pain. My opening comments where me padding my ego by coming up with a great plan. I didn't realize this was a gamethrow. The point that you may be stuck on too, was how you say that it was clearly explained to me. But, I've played enough games with Riddler to know that he can talk people out of winning. And I was determined that this would not happen. I even cited OGI, believing that he was making up some sort of Gamethrowing situation so that I wouldn't kill him. Knowing what I know now, I see what you are saying, and to say something like "Now you don't get to win" does imply a kingmaker situation. I just used the wrong phrasing since I didn't know this was a problem. I would also like to say though, too, that I have felt semi-bad for Riddler that because of how he-

i would like backinblack to explain his opening comments in the night too.

So I've read this four times now. I can't get over the first few lines he said that night. If you can find a legitimate explanation for those, or if he can come and explain, I'll OT myself, but the rest of the 'idk' did not seem genuine coming after something like that.

But yeah, let's see another mod's opinion

And yeah, I obviously realize GT requires intent, I think the intent was there, just lied about. Sorry.

Then he does a complete 180, saying killing riddler was the only way to win, since 'killer was going to betray him anyway'. I honestly thought it was a partial act. Not killing would have given the town a chance to NL. I actually see the intent and I find it hard to believe he doesn't know what kingmaker is when he describes the very situation in the first few lines.

Really?

Jailer-1: Uh oh You don't get the win; RedMage: actually its autolose for you anyway; Jailer-1: So what, Now it's autolose for you too.

Yeh agreed, gamethrowing requires intent, he had no intent to throw anything, he thought it was a proper course of action, and he wasn't trying to play kingmaker, he even said in post-game he had no idea what the term kingmaker meant. It isn't trolling either.

ronsie you're slacking

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